I know the person whom this happened to.
The MNS agitation is affecting everyone, even the outsiders who are not bhaiyyas.
Have you talked to non-Maharashtrians, the non-bhaiyya, the non-poor guys?
They feel the agitation has been hijacked by local rowdy types.
Read the story, and more such stories about daily life are coming up every day now...
I am not saying any of this is right, or wrong etc etc. But this is how things happen.
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The MNS agitation is affecting everyone, even the outsiders who are not bhaiyyas.
Have you talked to non-Maharashtrians, the non-bhaiyya, the non-poor guys?
They feel the agitation has been hijacked by local rowdy types.
Read the story, and more such stories about daily life are coming up every day now...
I am not saying any of this is right, or wrong etc etc. But this is how things happen.
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Agreed, such incidents are happening in the city. And they are not helping the maharashtrians at all. This is very sad, but i don't understand how MNS can avoid such incidents.
There is a good chance that person (dahisar ka bhai) in the story had a fight with his wife at home and need some score settling opportunity where he can regain his sense of power ... but agreed with the author that political parties provide these opportunities .. this is not correct.
Wish somebody whom people will listen to, comes forward and explain such things and how such incidents will damage mumbai and mumbaikar. Common man don't do any stuff like this .. please understand, this is a slow poison killing mumbai.
This is the problem really. We should understand that every agitation has many levels of consequences.
There is the logical reasonable side to MNS' demands, but there are other sides too.
People are becoming worried - a city like Mumbai cannot exist if there is distrust. We are so packed together like fish here. If we cannot have full trust in each other, and can talk and travel without worrying, I think the city will be doomed.
To tell the truth, my experience with all political parties have been the same. At the grassroot level, they are always into goondaism.
The assholes in every party misuses issues to settle scores. To hit someone who didnt give u grocery on credit, to teach some college enemy a lesson, to beat up some girl's boyfriend etc etc. Some bhaiyya auto drivers (we many of them are decent poor guys) - there was one driver who was found crying in Kanjurmarg. He said, the passenger refused to pay saying you are a saala bhaiyya, i wont pay you, kya karega..
If tensions like this continue, the poor bhaiyya with no money will still stay here. The middle class bhaiyya and punjabi is already considering leaving. So we may have a maharashtrian mumbai in a few years anyway!
I think all we need is a few months of tension like this
Chief, can you tell me what is the possible solution on this ? Do you think if we show this clippings and conversations to raj thackrey and request him to speak on these issues whenever he address his party workers next time. Do you think this will help. I am not sure but somebody needs to stop this.
If a passenger doesnot pay to a bhaiya What can Raj or MNS do. I dont understand. Have raj told people dont pay bhaiya richshawwala. This is what I m hating Non-marathis are creating unneccessary iisue on small matters and connecting even a galli mara mari with Raj.
If tensions like this continue, the poor bhaiyya with no money will still stay here.Good.Up- biharis should now move to Kerala, Chennai and delhi for job oppurtunity .I really want to see how these states treat them.
Ok this article says If Raj Thackeray's MNS is really interested in saving Mumbai, it should take a cue from south Indian cities like Chennai, Hyderabad, Bangalore and even Kochi, which have opened their doors to migrants like never before. These cities have become vibrant nerve centres of economic activity and business. hahah gr8888
How many outsiders are given entrance in these states govt jobs asthi? I mean I m asking geniuely as I have never been to these states.
funaholic,
1, these are not small matters. this is the way an agitation affects ordinary people. and if people start behaving in this way, mumbai is over. do you know what when gandhi asked for a peaceful agitation, british women were raped? thats how life is.
2. he is wrong when he compares mumbai to any of those cities. they can do it only because they are much smaller, issues will start there too.
3. this is nor raj's or mns' fault. but thats how it happens. there are enough people who will misuse these things.
4. i personally think maharashtra desperately needs someone sensible who can ensure maharashtrians' interests are met, and others are not harassed. right now, i dont see any leader like that.
i am sure if this continues, there will be a rape pretty soon of a NI woman - attack 2 bhaiyya guys and take away the woman. wait and see.
This is not about MNS or maharashtrians. When community/ regional tensions develop, it 100 % happens.
Dear friends open your eyes
Whatever situation India is facing is because of congress only
actually congress divided our nations on language basis
they are truly responsible...
let it be
my questions to all of u.
If we have all states territory based and defined on language why not job belonging to a state are been reserved for people belonging to same state?
why bihar and up is not developed?
why no body speaks when south side states are perticular to their people?
if anybody comments in favor Marathi language why everybody gets angry(North and some south)?
@parab.shailesh
Every state has reservation for state jobs for locals like police, local state administration, state run departments. Central jobs are open to all indians. So where is the question of reserving jobs for locals???
If Bihar and UP is not developed, that is a problem. Every one knows that BIMARU (or BIhar, MAdhya Pradesh, Rajasthan, Uttar Pradesh)states have slowed down india's growth. It is a national issue...
Nobody gets angry when you want to promote marathi. But promoting mararhi does not mean forcing others to learn it too by force. People are angry with what has happened in Mumbai because attack on so called outsiders in Mumbai is a threat to Mumbai and to India as Mumbai is essense of India.
my dear friend asthipanjar & undercover.
mumbai main apane train ka safar kabhi kiya hai, yahan ke jo paketmar hai jo train main pakde jate hai unka kya hal public karti hai woh to aapko malum hoga. vahi sab paket mar up bihar se releted hain. agar main iase kahu ki up bihari log paketmar hote hai to galat hi hoga na. eak-do logonse pure cummunaity pe ilzam lagana galat hi hota hain na.
kya aap aaj ki tarikh main mumbai cst main after 12pm ke bad ghum sakte hain. nahi kyonki vahan sab raste charasi our gardule logon se bhare huve milenge. our yeh sab log non-marathi hain, up bihar releted hain. then please say what is my decision about him.
please reply urgent
@dinkarharmalkar I tarvel very frequently in mumbai local trains. Till now my pocket has never been picked. Mumbai is bursting at seems becuase of influx of migrants. And if you read today's paper properly, you would know that majority (60%+) migrants to Mumbai are from Villages in Maharshtra. Then there are migrants form Bihar/UP/Punjab/South India and many other states. Cities like Bangalore and Delhi also get huge Migrants. Ludhiana gets 3rd most migrants form Bihar who work as farm labourers and in industries there.
Mumbai's problem is that nobody is planning for its growth. and Just blaming each other and poor migrants. If we do not stop rich people from coming to Mumbai, what rights do we have to stop poor alone??
And about packet mars....criminals are found everywhere. The highways decoits in Maharashtra are native tribals of Maharahstra...I can tell you more...ever tried to tarvel at night in rurual maharahstra, specially on ghats??? try it sometime..
It is not logical that , if your pocket was never picked up, everybody's pocket is safe. Maharashtra is Far more secure than any other state. Till date no single NI leader's / officer's house has been attacked by maharashtrians. Whereas in Bihar , a house of Marathi IAS officer Mrs. Ashwini thackeray has been attacked. You cannot compare Maharashtra ghats with Chambal. I agree that crime is everywhere, but why should mumbai accept the NI criminals?. As far as developement of the City is concerned, it only depends upon number of taxpayers and i'm certain that taxpayers are less when compared to the total population of mumbai.
People from Maharashtra Village have fundamental right to come to mumbai. Bihari's have fundamental rights to go to patna. But can you assure that maharashrians are safe in Patna, while currently, every Bihari is safe in Mumbai... it's clear from Chatpuja.
And Which paper you're talking about? and why should one trust it. I think you should trust what you see through ur own eyes. and i see bhaiyyas everywhere, when i travel by train or Bus.
It's not only mumbai is suffering, whole Maharashtra is suffering due to migration.
dear undercover
r u say that Central jobs are open to all indians. So where is the question of reserving jobs for locals???
ok i aggrid
then u show mi why the requirment ads is in up, bihars news papers only , why it is not advertising in whole india
& please this is my one and simple que, so u dont change topic, give mi ans point by point. & why u dont say about the 4 marathi boy's train death- where the responsible only bhaiyas
and if you really believe English media and their statistics, read following
http://www.tiss.edu/news162.pdf
to add more to it, follow below link
http://maharashtratimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/3673149.cms
@meemarathi
First when you say NI criminals, it is like saying Muslim terrorists or hindu terrorists. Shall I call highway robbers in Maharshtra as "Marathi looterays" !! OR what abut Pragyua Thakur and Army officers caught in Nasik as "Marathi terrorists"!! Stop branding a community.
If Manahrashtra Villagers have fundamental rights to come to Mumbai , so is everybody else's right in India to come to Mumbai to go elsewhere. For simple reason, theat TILL NOW MAHARASHTRA and MUMBAI is a subset of India. When it become indepedent from Indian union, you can setup your broders, armies and passports. Till then, this question does not arise.
May be ... TOI statistics are reliable for you. But i will not change views due to your comments, and i don't expect it from you too.
Yes, many problems in Maharashtra is due to migration.
Do not think the extreme way of separation of Maharashtra, speaking about local issue doesn't mean somebody want separate state. it's like putting words in mouth.
Your views are pretty biased and your approach is very arrogant. You may are under impression that you are the only intelligent being here and others are either kids or fools. ( This doesn't mean that i am praising my intelligence, some of my points may prove wrong in long run) You may have travelled many times in train or throughout the country or even the globe, but you rarely have essence of local public's emotions. For me ( i'm sure , for others too) you seems to be a person who is as arrogant and aggressive as people you oppose (MNS).
If you think this is a personal comment, i don't care. You also doesn't care about other's views as I never seen you agreeing with anybody.
If you really wan't to change the scenario, we are not the people to target to. You should consider filing a case against the people you oppose and fight a legal battle. This will give you an effective and bigger platform to quarrel.
there is a larger percentage of criminals among poor migrants from other states.
but that is true in every part of the world too.
(my pockets have always been safe!)
and goondas and criminals, i have met them from every community!! in fact, i would say grassroot workers of every political party is full of criminals. and top political leaders consider it necessary - they all need some people who can break things!
@meemarathi
Yes, I travel a lot but that has never taken me away form what local people think. I know very well, what local people in Maharashtra feel and their problems. Not all, but many. I know what rurual maharshtra is like and what poeople suffer there.
Also I do fight parties like MNS, Senas and BJP through ballot. I vote and I raise my voice when it is needed.
I also believe that true leadership is not about echoing what man on street feels. If that was to be the case, Mahatama Gandhi should have supported untouchability , since most locals (india) were supporting untouchability and caste based hatred. True leardership is showing direction to people. MNS , Laoo yadav and, paswan are not doing it. They are just feeding on your emotions and gaining votes. They only tell you nice sounding easy answers like "Migrants are biggest problem".
And in case of MNS, it is simple case of a family quarrel for power. How easily they take us on a ride.
Hi Under Cover.
People in rural Maharashtra are suffering is a very much fact. Why to go to rural maharashtra, Virar/Vasai/Kalyan/Dombivali where much middleclass stays are having same issues (Water/Electricity).
But I don't understand how SS/BJP is responsible for that. I am not supproting these parties but they had ruled only 4 & 1/5 years. Remainig 45 yrs congress was singly ruling this state.
Other than western maharashtra, nothing was developled in those 45 yrs so alongwith SS/BJP congress(both) should also get credit for the same.
In contrary to that Konkan have seen much development in SS/BJP ruling about water supply and infrastrucure.
Voting for a specific party is a very private affair but stating MNS drive as a a family quarrel for Power is a good way to divert peoples attention from main issue.
Last one, How MNS who is just a born 2-3 years back is responsible for poor quality of living in rural maharashtra?????????
@prashu
Lets not muddle the issue. Water and electricity problems are not because of migration. I worked for a NGO which was setting up micro water utility in villages, so I know that 60-70% of people in India do not have access to clean, running water.
Electricity, same status. We just dont produce enough electricity.We have never produced enough electricity. Solution is using distributed power, renewable enegry and putting more pressure on politicians. Maharahstra has hardly invested into big power stattions after debacle of Enron. This is becuase nonne of Maharashtrian politican is intersted in it. Except perhaps Muttemwar (Centeral minister), minister of MNRE who is going to setup 10MW solar plant in Nagpur.
As for rural Maharashtra, it is same as rural India elsewhere, I didnt say it is because of MNS. MNS basically doesn't care about them, like other politicians and parties.
Now coming to main issue, Main issue (which we are discussing) is that of regionlism, and spreading hatred and diverting from core issues (water+electricity+roads+better life). It is widely known that Thackeray family has a feud on who should control marathi manoos votes and thats why we are seeing the whole drama.
Aagin water+electricity are not migration problem. These problems happen because there ie little political will to solve them. I mean, imagine if MNS was raising power and water issues, would anybody have given it any thought!!!
We, Indians are knowns to fight among each other. It is in our history. Even Shivaji's sons end up fighting with each other and ruined maratah empire.
Well i m happy that u remember the main issue. And hope u will stick to it henceforth.
And it is useless to debate with u about Maharashtra & Marathi as I know u r standard of thinking.
Tell me one thing, if there are 10 chairs in a room and u r putting 11 persons into it. Surely there will be fight for one seat right. Resources are limited and putting pressure on it surely going to make situation worst.....
Add to that Shrikrishna was also knowing the qualitites of all YADAVS and hence he let them killed each other in front of him and hence saved country from YADAVI.
Don't know from where these new genre of YADAV came from....
It will be not good to discuss this in this blog but Dear it is not Sick intelect but FYI that Shrikrishna was knowing that YADAVA are not going to do any good thing other than fighting with each other so he just sat and saw drunked YADAVAS killing each other before he dies. It was indeed possible for him to save the situation but he opted for not to do so.
This is the whole story and I don't understand how I am defiling god? May be u r as usual running out of arguements and started messing up this issue.
True I am a very much Hindu and do belive in GOD. And I don't know which book u r reading. It is painful to see such comment on shri chhatrapati. Well keep reading those bullshits as they r u r types only...........
@prashu
If you are hindu and believ in God and knew that Krishna was a God, then you should have known that Gita is a Hindu holy book and that What Krishna describes in Gita in form of mahabharta is greated philosophy of hinduism. And my be you dont know Krishna was himslef a YADAV (if that really matter).
Thats shows your ignorance of hindusim. You are not even Hindu. I think you are a muslim perhpas and pretending to be a hindu and thats the reason you want hindus to start fighting with each other in name of marathas and biharis and whatever.
Why are you getitng pained reading about Shivjai. He was not even god. He was just a man.
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@prashu.
Moron , it is you who have defiled your own God, I only showed you a mirror. You should be thankful that I am leaving because now you can keep making faces at each other and merry thinking that you are smart lot.
Why r u keep saying that u r leaving, leaving. Pls leave soooooooooooooooooooooooooooon.
It is our own business to decide what we have to do....
Request to Portal Admin, Pls delete that shit thrown by Undercover about Shri Chattrapati. It is very SAD & Painful.
Undercover .. please be carefull. I have deleted the comment.
Thanks....
Dusrya koni bagitala asta tar fukat maramari zali asati.......
@god You should also delete shit written by @prashu about Krishna. Is that not insulting to Hindus????????????
I have not used a single word against Shri Krishna as I consider him GOD.
BTW I though u have already left.............
undercover i have deleted the commented as you have requested. Now Guys .. please stop this. Or i will have to ban both of you.
So Do you think every Yadav in North is Krishna ? undercover saheb , lokanchi karamnuk karne thambva.
God,
I feel sorry but I have to comment. This Mr. Undercover is messing up issues and came down to such a level where he defame our GOD. My replies are need or else god knows to what extent he could have went down.
But pls don't ban me as I very much want to part of this portal.
@prashu you have written disparaging things about YADAVS and Krishna was a YADAV prince.
So Do you think every Yadav in North is Krishna ? undercover saheb , lokanchi karamnuk karne thambva.
prove it.
@meemarathi No, I dont think so. The same way I dont think that every mararthi is Chattarpatti Shivaji.
We never said that , i responded to your comment " you have written disparaging things about YADAVS and Krishna was a YADAV prince" , We never said that we should get priority bcos Chatrapati shivaji was born in Maharashtra. It seems that, you are loosing your nerves now, and making comments in panic.
Stop taking tension man. it will raise your blood pressure..
@meemarathi.
You have to read entire discussion and then see above statement in context. You see without context is bit like =you are lost. Like yourstatment of "e never said that we should get priority bcos Chatrapati shivaji was born in Maharashtra" I cant place it in any context in what I was arguing with @prashu.
in Fact, you can't place any of your comments in what we write.. you always take the discussion to some other end which lacks quality. why can't you type something which can denote goodness of Marathi people. In your views, every one is a villain who says good about marathis. you call others biased, but you are 200% biased towards anti-marathis. I think you are paid for that. because only a person fully employed for typing can write so many comments.
you've got a new disease of Marathofobia which one day will explode your brain
@meemarathi
I am biased towards marathis??? Oh really!!! No Son. It is you who blame everybody with being biased . Wheather it is Hindi, enlish media, newspapers, or anybody trying to reason with you. You see you are suffering from "persecution copmlex". you think that there is some kind of conspiracy to usurp your culture and jobs. And you mix all issues like electricity, water, roads with migration.
You think I am paid for this!!! I can also say same thing about you.!
undercover aunty, Check your eyesite, i've written "biased towards anti-marathis". you need rest as you cannot see that electricity, water, roads issues are associated with migration.
@meemarathi
Aunty!! I didnt know you could find out someone's gender by looking at his/her avatar name. Wow man , you are a wonder kid.
Your pre-occupance with migration makes me think that may be you have never migrated even out of your village or whereever you were born , possibly you have never even gone out form one village to other!!
you have conflicting chemicals in your brain. similar to your blindness towards issues faced by Locals , you also call somebody " aunty" and "man" simultaneously. if you've so bothered about gender, why are you under cover?.
BTW , you can call me anything, Son , Kid , Aunty, Grandfather ,Grandmother or even BAAP !
@meemarathi,
read property I said aunty!!! with exclaimation marks, which means I wondered why you are calling me your aunty!! Dont worry, I didnt speculate your gender.
I am not worried about gender. But I wonder why you have suddenly calling me you aunty!!
How can I call you BAAP now sicne you have favoured me as you aunty. Sorry, we dont muddle like that.
it's your choice, whatever you want.
you called me Kid, so you became my aunty..it's my choice, bcos you are under cover.
@ meemarathi and @ undercover
guys, now both of you are just angry and not making sense at all.
undercover, i agree with some stuff you say but if you are agitated, how is meemarathi and prashu going to ever understand your point of view?
also meemarathi, we are here to discuss and debate, right? We have to make an attempt to convince the other person, otherwise we are just like politicians with microphones trying to shout each other down.
in a way, this is what happens on TV also. there are some guys who refuse to talk about the fears of maharashtrians and issues, and keep saying MNS is creating a divide. On the other side, there is no attempt to explain the issues. Just shouting. So no one understands each other better.
@asthipanjar
I accept. You have got a point. I dont know how I got dragged in this.
But let me say this much . @meemarathi and @prashu are beyond argument, is what I have come to believe now.
i agree with undercover aunty, it's good if she stops arguing with us.
@meemarathi
Ok. Be happy now and play outside. Otherwise I have to go and see you mom.
guys stop it please :) .. this is so amusing. Iam sure u both are maharashtrians or mumbaikars at least for sure. You guys cannot solve anything. Please at least don't make fun of yourself and screw up this forum.
आभाळ कोसळले तरी मी कोसळणार नाही, त्या कोसळलेल्या आभाळावर उभा राहून ध्येयाकडे वाटचाल करेन.
Bal Gangadhar Tilak was perhaps one of greatest Maharashtrian whose contribution to freedom struggle was immense. I some time wonder why he and many like him have been relegated to periphery in Maharshtra's asmita which these days mainly hinges on one warring hero alone.
Tilak,authored 'Geetarahasya' - the analysis of 'Karmayoga' in the Bhagavadgita written by Krishna, which is known to be gist of the Vedas and the Upanishads.
He started Ganesh Utsav in Maharashtra to revive nationlistic feelings and pride in Hinduism.
The words which I have quoted in beginning of this comment, are his famous words describing life-long struggle for India's freedom.
It means "Even if the heavens fall, I wont collapse,I will stand on that fallen heaven and proceed towards my goal"
GoodBye All. Make love and peace.
Hi All,
Pretty new to this forum but was following every comment closely. Its an irony to see people indulged into regional sentiments. I am sure that none of us has forgotton what pain leaders like gandhi/tilak/bose/bhagat singh (and many more) took to give us independence. Imagine everyone fighting independence for their own province, we would be no different than what Pakistan is today. We are no more governed by national sentiments. All we are worried is our own house. Its a fact which is being used by politicians to make their way into active politics.
I am working for NGO since many years and have travelled across each state. Its pity why people aren't moved by farmers suicide and demand answer by our so-called 'heroes'. I wonder why people aren't raising their voice against many immediate issue that need attention. Yes we need revolution but not what we are doing right now. De-Legitimizing migration is no solution. It has been a trend, techies migrate to other countries, people from village migrate to cities and henceforth. Hope we give it a mature thought and stop fighting over regional issues.
agreed maverick. but i think in a linguistically demarcated country like ours the fighting over regional issues will stop only if ignoring of regional issues is stopped.
and a regional issue is between two regions. they BOTH must work on resolving it.
Not so completely agree with u r view, but U r right that there are some issues like electricity, water, farmer suicides which should be dealt with more seriousness and priority. Also respect u r work in NGO beacuse many of them are doing genuine work and needs an applaud.
But it is pointless to discuss those things here as this blog discuss about MNS & regionalism.
Whatever u said about freedom fighter and Nationalism is true & beyond any arguement.
U said it is pity that people are fighting on regional sentiments. It is pitty indeed. Let us go to root cause. Why People are doing it? And let us not bring SS/MNS into it.
We are having states created on language of that particular region Right? I consider creation of states in this was is the root cause of the entire issue.
At one point u (u means not u, don't take things personally or else again Undercover like episode will repeate) want to do a melting pot and at the same time u r trying to protect regional "asmita" of each state.
When this state creation was did, All other regions got their respective state depending on their language. But it was only Maharashtara who sacrificed 105 marathi people to get Mumbai & Maharashtra. Why?
Still karwar, belgaon is with Karnatak despite having much Marathi speaking people. Let us not discuss this as case is going in Court.
what is wrong in expecting Marathi in Mumbai? And why Mumbai alone get the development? Why other states and their respecive capitals are not developing after 50 yrs of Independence?
Following this which I am going to talk now, Please do not consider it as Maharashtra issue. It is how things are going on in the whole nation.
Why such huge migration is happening? Migrants do not alone come to any city. They always carry thier own culture, values and lifestyle. They first come in search of Jobs. Soon they get setteled they start practising their regional culture which is also not bad and everybody is having right to practice whatever he likes. But then these poor migrants comes together and forms a votebank and starts pushing locals & local culture. Here actaully fight starts. And people like Lalu, Mulayam who are so called Masinhaa of these poor migrants who never did a small good thing about them, just makes situation more worst.
Imagine the same scenario which happened in RRB exams in Maharashtra could have happen in southern states, locals of that state have reacted in same manner.
See how entire tamilnadu is supporting LTTE and putting pressure on Centre government to stop war with LTTE. Is n't it anti-national. Which media is discussing this issue.
So it is my appeal to all u people who are listening with open ears (Not those who goes by TOI, Aaj Tak and rest gang of notorious people) to see this issue in broader light than just bashing SS/MNS/Marathi Manus. And still If u wanna keep us bashing then We can't help. Carry on......
I wonder when these issues will resolve. As far as the central topic in this discussion is concerned, this is bound to happen. This is no more than a political gimmick. Innocent people are being targeted and things are being made up. In 60's they were south indian and Bal Thackrey came into limelight and gained enough ground. Now its North Indians and Raj thakre has taken well-tested (100% guranteed) path to stardom. I wonder who's next !! What will mumbai do once they have pushed all North indians out? Lemme guess..punjabis..or muslims..or people from rural maharashtra !! There's no end to it. Whether you concur or not but this is in no way a solution for the problem.
@sandeshp
I agree and trust me that it would be the most wonderful day for our country when regional forces starts thinking about national interest. Maharashtra and Gujarat got seperated on lingual ground in 1960. The idea was not at all novel in nature and leaders at that time didn't have enough far-sightedness to see if linguistic lines would become so prominent. I could see how language doesn't contribute towards development of any state but homogeneity. Its a fact and useless to run after to make it prove wrong.
agreed. 'all' regional forces have to start thinking of national interest. and it is in national interest that 'each and every' region of the country is developed enough to take care of its inhabitants. :-)
How could a region in isolation develop? I don't find any single way for Maharashtra to sustain if they don't cooperate with other states. How could you think about regional interest first without keeping national interest in mind? Imagine if Gujarat calls off all their industrialist/businessmen from all over India ! Imagine Punjab stop exporting crops to rest of the country. Imagine if Jharkhand stops exporting coal/electricity to other units. This is how a nation develops. Central Govt in Delhi launches multi-crore loan waiver scheme for Maharashtra's farmers. What would you say that? Mutual cooperation and cohesiveness leads to better life.
exactly. no region can develop in isolation but there are regions who do not develop even when not isolated :-)
mutual co-operation is must for development. but in no less way is also accountability (mutual and individual). no nation will develop altogether if certain regions of it are not held accountable for non-development and are conveniently allowed to pass the buck on others.
Exactly buddy. I am glad that you hit the right point of accountability. Who is accountable is a million dollor question. Start with recent mumbai regional unrest: should north indians be held accountable for all problems mumbai have? Should MNS be held accountable for adding fuel to the fire? Should state govt be held accountable for underdevelopment of larger north india region? Who is accountable is a simple and rosy question to listen but difficult to figure out.
In the race of development, everyone has variable speed. the one who gains ground faster enough leaps far ahead of others. What i could sense by your post of "conveniently allowed to pass the buck on others" is poor-north indians (please correct me if i am wrong). Take mumbai as example: You can't guarantee that all marathis are equally developed. Some may be elite while many are still doing low paying jobs. I might as well say that these low-earning section of mumbai passes buck on high-paying classes. We should try and understand that the issue is not about who is passing buck. People tend to migrate to places guarantying decent way of living. There isn't any deliberate attempt of suspicion involved.
Dear maverick,
A well written and a balance view. I really appreciate u r thinking. For a time being Let us also accept that there are no delibrate attempt of migration.
But sure the recent mumbai unrest which was started due to RRB exams where person from NI states getting exam hall ticket to appear for Maharashtra seats and not even advetisement in local newspaper in Maharashtra leaves us to suspect the motives behind some NI leaders.
Dear Prashu,
I could understand but for national level (Central Govt) examinations, policy directs agency to publish it in atleast 3 national papers (for state govt jobs it gets published in local newspaper). Apart from daily newspaper, it also gets published in "Rojgar Samachar" or "Employment News". I still don't understand why there's confusion with advertisement.
It should be well understood that Indian Railways is the largest public employer in the world and examinations are being governed by boards. I don't see any regional conspiracy involved with whatever information i have. Probably North Indians are pretty successful than others with RRB/banks because they start preparing quite early. Same is with civil services. NI's are largely successful with UPSC exams and again there can't be any conspiracy.
Dear maverick
Humm I don't agree with u with this point. That Exam was just for Ticket Checker and minimum qualification was 10 standard.
I don't think that much caliber is required for said post. U also probably have seen people who came for exam who slept at platforms and taken bath on attached bathroom. Looking at them I doubt about their caliber and preperation. Please provide us the information which u have due to which u don't see any regional conspiracy. I have already given link from maharashtratimes which clearly describes how RRB things are going.
And it is happening in RRB only. Banks u will not find such things as there are organisations in Maharashtra who are conducting training of Marathi students for the same.
SAD part is such regionalism is going in IT industry also which is famous for it's caliber. I have seen a big IT giant company in Mumbai directly recruiting just passed out student from a south state at a very less salary, Forget abt maharashtrian but other IT people who are staying in Mumbai for long where they should go?
One real story I would like to mentioned here where in which none maharashtrian was involved. Few months back I had opportunity to work with a UP girl with a very good knowledge about our project. She had shifted few yrs back from UP to Delhi and she herself said that there is less regionalism in Mumbai becaused she herself faced a lot from punjabis due to her non-punjabi origin.
SAD part is everywhere such things are going on and media is just highlighting Maharashtra like anything.
Let us stop all this and respect each other.......
Dear Prashu
I liked your last line the most.
Maybe there's some conspiracy but again there should be some appropriate forum to address those issues. I concur with you that things aren't going correct with many other sectors and areas. We have endless list and at the end we would just be another dissatisfied and frustrated indian.
Its sad that the brunt of regional favoritism is being borne by NIs. As you mentioned many other arena where maharashtrians feel segregated and sidelined. Most of the issue arises because of cheap manpower. An IT company would very well hire 2 south-indian IT software engineer for what he would pay for 1 west-indian engineer. This has become a global issue and kicking migrants back is definitely no solution. I guess people here would agree with me that reverse-migration may look as a temporary solution but won't solve the problem.
Dear Maverick,
Gr8, this is the main reason of this forum that people should come and discuss and not fight. And I am happy that our arguements are going in a right direction.
Coming to the point that u r seeing some fire while others are only shouting smoke-smoke. I will give credit of this regionalism to the policy of language based states. If states have been created on the basis of language then one must respect local language, culture of that particular state. Agreed? If migrates wishes to rule the state where they have came for job and their leaders are openly supporting it then is surely an issue.
Forget about NI, few years back Gujrathi mid-day used to have it's head line as "Gujrati-Mid-day, Gujrati-Mumbai". Is this the way migrate should respect the city's original culture? Will any other city in this country will tolerate this?
Nobody is trying to understand the core issues that Maharashtrians are not asking jobs in any other state but in their own state. And if they are not getting it where are they suppose to migrate?
I am very certain that the states that are doing a very good economic & industrial progress like Gujrat & Karnatak will face the same issue in near future.
And if we seriously want to stop this then just demolish language based states and rearrange it on some other basis. I doubt how many southern state will agree to this?
Dear Prashu
Sure mate. Forum isn't a battleground or a place to flex muscles. I agree..atleast intellectual people like us needs to discuss and brainstorm and come to a logical conclusion. Although our arguments may not find any place on real platform but atleast it would satisfy me personally.
If you refer my earlier post, i have written that the linguistic boundary was not the best decision leaders at that time took. However its useless to debate over what happened 4 decades ago.
I agree that people should carry their culture without disrespecting other's. As far as ruling is concerned, i don't think anyone who migrates thinks about ruling. What they want is meagre income and daily's bread-butter. If you have problem with couple of politicians like x,y,z, why don't people or MNS for that matter target them directly. I could understand that its pretty easy to target and bash poor taxi-drivers/cartpullers/rickshaw drivers/laboureres than taking up politicians. I hope someone from MNS listens this !!
I don't know why Gujarati-mid-day headline should offend anyone. Did they mean that mumbai belongs to gujarat? I guess they aren't dumb enough to even think about it. And is this an attack over city's culture? Please don't forget gujarati's contribution towards making mumbai what it is today.
Maharashtrians as free to take up jobs anywhere they want in india. There's no stopping to it. Its a global market and everything is available.
I really support your idea of demolishing boundaries based on language. But we still need some boundary right? What would that be? I dont find any other parameter for demarcation. even if we divide it over some other basis, people's mentality needs to be changed. There would still be some state economically advanced than others and they would rally against other disadvantaged section.
Dear Maverick,
Sure for a time being I accept u r view that none of migrants wanna rule. But what abt some Mr. Shulka from Congress wants Kripashankar to be CM of Maharashtra? Well Mr. Shulka must not be a local and must be a migrant only. He is daring this because of vote bank which has created due to huge migration only.
There is no question on forgetting anyones contribution but that dose not mean one has right to label Mumbai with any tag they want. Mumbai was - is - and will be Marathi only.......
U said Maharashrians are free to take up jobs anywhere India. Here let me clear one thing that all fight which is going on for poor, unskilled and lower level jobs. Forget about India, skilled Maharashtrians are taking over everywhere around the world when it comes to merit. (For Example Mangeshkars,Sachin,Madhuri,Vikram Pandit,Nitin Desai and many more) Do u think unskilled and labore such jobs are available in other parts? If yes then why such huge migration is happening? Why to expect Maharashtrians to migrate from their own state which is one of most developed state to other bimaru states?
Dear Prashu,
Mr. Shukla is a politicians and i don't give a shit to whatever they speak. They are nobody's and wants no good for common mass but their own. Vote bank politics has taken a bottom row these days in India and its useless to waste our time debating it. Anyways..why didn't MNS take Mr. Shukla or Mr. Kripashanker directly? I guess this needs guts which isn't needed to kick innocent and powerless people.
Well...i seriously oppose your sentence "Mumbai was - is - and will be Marathi only.......". I would request you to take a toll back to Mumbai's history and you will see for yourself what Mumbai is all about. Sure it belongs to Marathi's but also to others in equal proportion. It has never belonged to a single class and will never belong.
No doubt on maharashtrian's credentials. I just responded to your earlier posts' issue of taking south-indian professionals on lower cost. Anyways there are and will be great people from Maharashtra and not only you but every indian is proud of them. Migration is a natural process. Its no rocket science. People move to better-off places. Migration is not only about intra-state migration but also people moving from rural-maharashtra to urban towns. Won't you call this migration and for that matter raise your voice against it?
Dear Maverick,
Migration from inter maharashtra to urben cities of Maharashtra is not a issue at all as it it their lawfull right as Mumbai is still the capital of Maharashtra. Where u expect these people to migrate other than their own capital? If some capitals of respective states are not able to provide emplyment to people who belong to that particular state. Then it is centre's responsiblity to look into it. Just passing the buck to Mumbai will never resolve this issue.
Just have a look, many yrs back people from south also used to migrate to Mumbai. But thanks for the development took place in AP/Karnataka we don't see that much migration happening from south.
Please let me clear one thing neither I nor any Maharashtrian (includeing MNS/SS) have ever demanded seperate Maharashtra like Kashmir (Even though Hinglish Media is showing any such thing.) Neither we are demanding reservation for Maharashtrians all over India. Just asking for those jobs which are having their base location in Maharashtra.
And yes I am firm on Marathi Mumbai. Whoever did their contribution have got in multiples in return. And If they were so keen to contribute why did they have not contributed to their respective places????????
We are not against any region, language or person as such. We are demanding a decentarlisation of development all over the nation. So that none of the cities should become as troublesome as Mumbai is now.
dear maverick
first u say that any Indian is go to everywhere in India for job that i m 100% agreed with u.
it's OK but only for jobs / business, but it's not problem for local people?????? for Jobs.
second is Mr. shukla or Kripashankar or abu r come here for job???????? why hi is interfere in Maharashtra's people's life???? why ??? why they have require BMC works in HINDI??? why not in Marathi??? r they come here??? then why they don't learn Marathi before entering Marathi / Maharashtra's politics. all they r elected on Marathi votes & after this they are opposite with Marathi peoples??? then u show me what is next do by any typical Marathi manus.Maharashtra's people is co.operate 100% with non-Marathi people in mumbai & Maharashtra. & after, this people is doing it's first priority to it's state people?? what r doing wrong Marathi people with them??? ans is no ? but r u say if the partiality is go on in MAHARASHTRA, that they r not prior Marathi manus in MAHARASHTRA, what the Marathi people is do next
@dinkarharmalkar
Maharashtra has Job reservation for Locals (domiciles) for all state controlled jobs. MNS is demanding reservations in central jobs which is totally unacceptable. If that has to happen, there is no point of having a country and each State can become an independent country. Same for private sector; Why should there be any reservation for private sector!! Private sector run solely on merit and that is how it should be.
So Mararthis get reservation in Maharashtra Govt Jobs , the way Oriyas get reservation in Orrisa Govt Jobs.
Now coming to jobs in un-organisation sector like laboureres, industries, private sector, where many migrant labourers work, that is a market dynamics.
For more details , read my post on how Chinese have biggest migration population of 14 crores. This is how all countries get developed.
Everything else is politics and a Indians's inherent tendenecy to divide themselves among many fault lines.
dinkarharmalkar
Internal Migration in China: http://www.marathikatta.com/General/14-crore-migrants-in-china-still-no-riots/
Pls hya Undercover la reply karnyat koni apala vel ani shakti naka fukat ghalau. To nehmi vishal sodun bolto ani ugach shabdane shabd wadhat jaun mool vishay bajula rahato.........
abeeeeeeee chu.......ya
eak sawal ka javab de sirf..........agar railway is only central job hai to woh sirf or sirf up our bihar main hi kyon advetrisement kiya gaya ?????? why not in whole india??????
why they call only bhaiyas??????
@dinkarharmalkar
Abe Ch.........ya Newspapers pada karo.
The main advertisement appeared on two different days in the :
1. government-owned Employment News, which has nationwide circulation.
2. The "indicative advertisements" for the same three posts - enquiry-cum-reservation clerk, goods guard and assistant stationmaster - appeared in editions of Marathi, Hindi, Urdu and English newspapers circulated only in the Maharshtra state.
Marathi dailies which carried the advertisements were :
1. Loksatta Mumbai edition
2. Lokmat Nagpur edition
- on November 3, 2007, and February 9, 2008.
Dailies in other languages circulated in the state which carried the advertisements were
1. Navbharat Times
(November 3, 2007, and February 9, 2008),
2. Navbharat (February 9, 2008)
3. Inquilab (February 9, 2008)
4. the Hindustan Times (February 9, 2008),
5. Indian Express (November 3, 2007, and February 9, 2008) - all Mumbai editions.
Check all these papers and thier editions.
@dinkarharmalkar
Who said it is advertised only in Bihar and UP?? Did you check rest of papers in India?? Did you read advertisements in Lokamt ?? Did you check employment news with date/venue of exam??
Whole of India is not having problem as for as I could see.
ok but wht is my que that u say that it is central job? right
the whole advertisment is done in india ?????? may be right
the exam is in mumbai??????? right
then why only bhaiyas are calling??? why not in whole cuntry??
this problem is not new for marathi manus but it is last warning given by him through MNS & raj thakere
this problem is started before 10-15 years back, & u r new un this, i m not.
& what i say u once again if no brain then why u arguing on any topics about marathi
chu....ia s..la
@dinkarharmalkar
then why only bhaiyas are calling??? why not in whole cuntry??
Whole country was callled by putting advertisements in many newspapers ,(as I pointed out earlier), including Local Marathi newspapers. Govt can not send personal invitation to all!!
ALso when exams are held in Mumbai, people from Rajashtan and Madhya pradesh also came. When Navi does its recruitment, anybody from anywhere in India can coome. Same way e.g if you write exam for AIMS, you can attend exam in any of centers across India.
"this problem is not new for marathi manus but it is last warning given by him through MNS & raj thakere"
Yes, Problem is not new. It started in 1960 with South Indians and thier Udupi restuarants. Indians politicians find new agends to mobalise their vote banks. Thats what Raj T and Laloo are doing. They play emotional politics, hiding an mis-presenting facts.
"this problem is started before 10-15 years back, & u r new un this, i m not."
Yes, it started way back. But then it was not railway but south Indian babus and thier restaurants in Mumbai. It will also not end. In Future we MNS and Sena might invent new issues.
I think regionalism is started by lalu in the first place by favouring candidates from bihar in railways. And after that MNS has also sent the letters to railway authorities and also to lalu to look into this (in their own language) .. and after that we all know what happened.
If we just keep looking at violence from law and order perspective and forget what wrong has been done in the past as far as railway jobs are concern, then i guess it won't be fair.
Whole of India is having problem, u just survay mumbai, banglore, karnataka, dhennai, etc., r u say that pure indian public ne paper nahi padha? ya agar padha to unhone apply nahi kiya? is this truth..............
r u shure.? r u survay about this? r all bhaiyas r read news papers & apply as per laws?????
@dinkarharmalkar
Whole of India is having problem, yes. Becauase we have so many fault lines in India. We are divided people and emotional. It is called politics of division. Divide and rule. Remember British!!
As India get more urbanised, people would migrate form one place to other. Leaders have to show the true leadership by guiding people, not by arousing them against each other.
We have to rise beyong our regional and local identities. Migration happpens when there is demand. Bnagalore in span of 10 years became a International city from a sleepy little town because there was huge demand for skills which migrated from all corners of India. Where is problem in that!! Tomorrow if Karnataka politicians start demannding that only Kanigads should get jobs in Bnagalore, what would it mean???
Ludhiana get 3rd highest number of Bihari workers because Ludhiana is garmnet and sports manufacturing hub. Bihairs go there because local labour can not meet all demand. It is demand and supply. See what has happened in China. There are 14 crore internal migrants there.
If tomorrow in Nasik, locals start putting up bhajiya stalls,migrant would find it less attractive and hence will move somewhere else wher he can make more money.
Didn't you move out of your village to a city because you got better wages there!!
Hi All,
Don't you guys think that we should become a bit more civilized and stop using slangs. What are we trying to show...this blog could be read by people across globe. What do we wanna show them..how good are we in dog-fights? Or do we believe that a problem could be solved by creating another more serious problem.
Laloo may have favoured people from NI..but no proof for that. What basis do we have to claim that? Can't we use our conscience to judge facts? Why don't we question whatever is being told to us? At the end we are no more than puppets dancing to the tunes of petty politicians.
Exactly, maverick is correct. Please don't use the slang. Mahrashtra and maharashtrians are already given bad names by media .. this won't help.
sorry
Hi Kiran,
Thanks. Please note that its MNS who is gaining bad names and not marathis or maharashtrians. Its MNS way of doing things that is earning a bad name. In a democratic country everyone has right to raise their issues but through appropriate forum/channels and not flexing their muscles.
@maverick
Agreed. MNS fiasco got lots of coverage all across the globe. I saw foreigners comment on it on twitter.
See it is simple. Mumbai is not any , if I may say so, tom dick and Harry city. What happens here get wide coverage. It is seen as symbol of multi-cultural India.
MNS has better ways of raising whatever issues they have. But the kind of language they use and violence they preach is unacceptable. That will alienate more people than ever.
what is MNS? & what's it's feature
it is depend on public voting? hi is doing right or wrong? risult is came after next election. please hold this for next elections.
Dear Maverick,
MNS is fighting for Marathi and all Marathi manoos is supporting inspite of all odds. Even Shivsena did not able to gather such support in last 47 yrs. This is the first time after "Sanyukta Maharashtra" Marathi Manoos is coming together. And there must be some point.
Just bashing MNS is not the solution dude.
@dinkarharmalkar
Correct. Lets wait till elections. This time, elections in India will determine what direction we are heading. Already regionalism is spreading in few states, Hindu and chirstian violence is happening in Orrisa, Muslima-hindu riots in few states, Islamic terror and now newly discovered hindu fanatics. Mayawati wants to capture all Dalit votes across India and BJP wants consolidation of Hindu votes. Samajwadi party is siding with Muslim vote bank. DMK is raising pitch about LTTE issue to consolidate its own Tamil votes.
National parties and national leaders have almost disappeared. We seem so divided today. Everybody is trying to play vote bank politics, wheather it is based on caste, religion or region.
This time election in India will tell what future hold for India. Either public will see through the politics and stand united or we will just move towards dis-integration of this country into smaller states.
Dear Prashu
No one has problem with MNS raising issue. Problem is the way they are raising it. As i have earlier written..India is a democracy and people should raise their issues and concerns. MNS could have taken a non-violent way. What disturbs me most is the growing support for violence thesedays. Even we seemed to be supporting bashing a petty thief if he is caught. We are becoming intolerable and violent in nature.
I seriously agree with Undercover. This is bound to happen but i would love to get wronged. I would request everyone to think for 1 second being an INDIAN and not from regions...ponder over regional tensions all across India and see how slowly we are disintegrating. Initially we were divided by caste but now it has become every damn possible parameter like color, language, religion, region..blah blah. Give it a serious though...go back several decades and analyze who got benefited. Its always damn shitty politicians who have gained where poorer masses have been left suffering. I really doubt if we are still "proud to be an indian"?
Dear Maverick,
This is what I called as ill-informed. And credit gose to Hinglish Media for the same. U said MNS should have taken a non-violent way to protest. Which in fact MNS did. In last year's Lalu's visit to Mumbai. MNS post holders met him and given him a written request to look into the issue of RRB not recruiting Marathi candidates. And Laloo also promised them to look into the issue. But nothing that sort had happened. So final restort which were in front of them is to go to street and I don't think so Laloo (Whose whole story is full of corruption and violence) could have listen to MNS's non-violent agitations. "Latoon ke bhoot Baton se nahi Mante". Give me example of any such non-violent event which are succeded in recent years. What happened in singur Tata-nano? Was that non violent? Gurjar andolan in Rajastan, was that non-violent? See even tamil people are openly supporting Tamil tigers. I don't think I need to talk abt tamil tigers now.
Why all these political parties are going for violent way because the other parties who are ruling have becoame senceless. Their only agenda is to implement their own agenda.
Better not to speak about undercover as I don't consider him worth argueable.
And hope u r last paragraph is directed to all Indians which includes Maharashtrians who are fighting for their existance in their own state, Tamilians who are fighting with centre for tamil tigers, Asamees who are buring biharis alive, Punjabis who are shouting "Ek bihari 100 bimari"
Dear Maverick
Ur reply is OK that u say No one has problem with MNS raising issue. Problem is the way they are raising it.
u say what is the right way to solve this problem. and it not come again in future
& finally this discussion is between dinkar harmalkar & Maverick, so please UNDERCOVER don't interfere in this.
i don't want Ur any suggestions.
thanks Maverick
What is the issue MNS is raising?
@dinkarharmalkar Here are my points (Do read them):
They have confused everyone, they have many issues, I think, mainly:
1.) Migrants from Bihar and UP are taking up jobs in Maharashtra
2.) They say in Railway jobs, Marathi manoos are not favoured and Railway job advertisements are not given in local papers.
3.) They are asking for reservation in jobs for Local people
4.) They want migrants to "respect" local culture
5.) They want to enforce use of marathi in Maharshtra
6.) They dont want Migrants to "politicise " thier festivals
7. They want migrants not to come to Mumbai anymore.
Here are my solutions , or answers, becuase in some cases the problems are not problems
1.) Migrants from Bihar and UP are taking up jobs in Maharshtra
Are NIs taking up jobs in Maharashtra state government?? Can NI come to Maharshtra and get jon in state police, state administration (Maharashtra Admin Service) or scores of other state govt. controlled departments? um....I doubt it. Can a Bihari come and become Clerk in District collectorate in Vidharba!! I doubt it. In My travel to many parts of Rurual Maharshtra, I have only seen local people in those jobs (and rightly so). So what jobs are migrant taking away from Marathi manoos??
If we take Mumbai, we see maigrants working as taxi drivers,bhajjiya walas,construction worker etc....these are self employed jobs. They are in un-organised sector and on low-skill areas. Anyone can start plying taxi or start selling milk or open a paan shop. So if Migrant can come to Mumbai and open a paan-shop,isnt it because he is filling a need which is not filled by local job market!!! These were the people who MNS had targetted in violence and these are the people who do not depend on anybody for jobs. I would say THEY ARE ENTERPRENEURS. The take risk and that should be respected.
2.) MNS say in Railway jobs, Marathi manoos are not favoured and Railway job advertisements are not given in local papers.
Ans: This can be just a conjecture, or just a nice theory. Since other states have not seen such a large scale opposition on the way railway jobs are being given or taken!! As I pointed out eralier, railway exam advertisements were put up in many local newspapers in Feburaray itself. So is this just a political stunt!!
3.) MNS wants reservation in jobs for Local people
State government jobs have reservation already. Every Indian state does that. Look at Police in Maharashtra. How many outsiders do you find in state police!! When it comes to central jobs and Public sector, no region specific reservation should be given, or else there is no point of having a country itlsef. I mean can there be a reservation for IAS of IPS based on region?? If MNS is asking for reservation in private sector, then it is totally wrong. It will kill private enterprise. Imagine tomorrow you want to start a company in Ratnagiri and Govt. or MNS tells you that you should only hire people in radius of 4 km of Ratnagiri or you should only hire people from a particular village. Would you not find that unjustified ?? Private compaines have to compete on many levels these days. Markets are global. So jobs in private sector have to be based on merit and market dynamics. Anything else will fail in long run.
4.) They want migrants to "respect" local culture
Respect is such a nice word but also dangerous. How is a culture respected! And who should decide wheather someone is respecting cultue or not!! If someone moves to Mumbai and doesn't learn marathi would he be persecuted for not respecting marathi culture!! Can anybody define Indian culture!!Similarly can anybody define Marathi culture! If a muslim in Mumbai want to speak Urdu, should he be branded as anti-marathi. Are konkani living in Maharashtra have marathi culture!! So you see, this is a useless argument and issue. India is a country , where in name of culture, thousand sins are committed, Like Dalits are killed to wihthold Indian caste culture and lovers killed to protect honor and pride , again siting indian culture.
5.) They want to enforce use of marathi in Maharshtra
Constitution of India says that every state has right to "promote" regional language and culture. Fair enough. Again, Indian constitution does not "impose" any national language on anyone. So it is expected form states, that while promoting thier own language, they do not "impose" anything on those who want to speak other langauge. If I want to live in Ratniagiri and still speak in tamil or Hindi, why not!! If someone want to speak Gujju or Konkani or dialect in Malwani, why not!! So promote language and culture but do not impose. This is basic liberty in our constituion. When INDIA DOES NOT IMPOSE a LANGUAGE on its citizens, WHY SHOULD a STATE GOVT IMPOSE IT. Promoting and impsoing are different, and we indians have not got this.
6.) They dont want Migrants to "politicise " thier festivals
Fair enough. Nobody should politicise any festival. It includes all festivals, dahi handi, navratri, Chatt, Muhharram whatever.
7. MNS want migrants from NI not to come to Mumbai anymore.
As long as Maharashtra is part of Indian union, it is not possible. So question doesnt arise. Mumbai need proper planning for growth. We need urban infrastructure. Socio-economic issues of migration are separate, but from law and constituion point of view, nobody can stop anybody from moving to an part of this country and working. Period.
Dear dinkarharmalkar
Mumbai is a cosmopolitan city and it has always been a melting pot. Its not a recent development but the process started 500 years ago when kolis were the original decedents.
There were many other ways MNS could have raised this issue. But they didn't do it for some simple reason:
1) It was quite evident for Raj Thakre to follow his uncle's 100% proven formula of 1960's against south-indians. Its all together pretty similar exercise and justifications. He expects the same popularity that Balasaheb Thakre gained after 1960 drama.
2) No other protest would give MNS instant stardom and support that they enjoy now. Elections are not very far and Raj Thakre is quite desperate to enter into active politics. Given that little time is left for him, any other peace process wouldn't give him the much needed popularity to gain legislative seats.
We don't have to take sucessful examples from some other countries. Look at how Jharkhand was formed. Peaceful protest and constant lobbying created a new state. Likewise we have other examples and MNS could have taken door-to-door campaign, sensitizing people for issues...etc ..etc. They could have prepared a solid groundwork with extensive social work. They didn't take any pain-sticking path but took a short-cut violent path. Its an irony that people seems to be supporting his way of protest.
@prashu is right with right points.
yes, that is truth,& this done by MNS before 1 year, they allready declered also before 1 year.MNS holders r requested to lalu for this.
but i think other people are don't know about this, they watching hinglish media, or they r ignore this.
and about koli, r u ask with him, they are 100% opposite bhaiyas, u want the truth ask a local koli. what is his openion about bhaiya.
Dear Prashu
I may be ill-informed but this doesn't guarantee that you are well-informed. As far as Hinglish media is concerned...i guess they have corespondents all over state. Whatever.. i don't wannna discuss on media.
MNS may have got disappointed but this doesn't allow them to go on streets kicking innocent people. Don't try legitimizing violence. Violence could never be the only option available. This is wrong and couldn't be proved correct by making noise.
As far as other violent agitations that you have written...i am atleast quite "un-"fortunate enough to have witnessed 2 of them. I was working in rural rajasthan when Gujjar agitation started. I was struck right in the middle of their base for 7 days. I had enough time moving around and interacting with many gujjars. I was pretty surprised by their way of thinking. They were deliberately programmed to make violence. And yes...rajasthan is facing election this year and most of the "gujjar-sangharsh-samiti" are contesting election.
2nd is the nano agitation. I happened to give some training session for women empowerment when nano fiasco was in full swing. I would have loved to share my experience but i guess people are in no mood to read my massive posts as this makes no difference to people's sentiments.
And yes...my last paragraph...INDIA doesn't exist anymore.
Dear Maverick,
Please, I request u not to go by Undercover way. I am again saying that I have never claimed that I AM THE ONE AND WELL INFORMED like things. But then now atleast u came to know that MNS did a protest in that way.
I agree that Hinglish media corresponds all over India. But this is not a justification for telecasting only one side of story. If they are here to do that then they should not talk about truth,justice and whatever they speaks in their catchline.
Sad to here that u faced two sad incidence and they are selfexplanetory why people take path of violence? People should not. But it happens only when no other path left.
Tell me one thing is this MNS episode is the only violent episode happened in the history of human civilization. Now u may blame me for supporting violence which I am not at all doing. But the entire credit goes to people who rules at that time. Everytime when the ruling person dose not try to understand sentiments of supressed, then only such violent incidence happens. One cannot paint the world in either black or white. There always be a grade shade naaaaaaaaa.
Don't loose hope dear, India still exists and it will. Only thing require is that we need to understand each other and co-exists. I am again saying that those who are supporting MNS dose not asking for a new nation. We love India as much as others. But the question arise whether Others love us?
For example u must be remembering the sad day when bomblast took place in local train on 11th July 2007. I luckily escaped because I went for Interview that day and so missed my daily train which I used to take that time. It was more painful what happened after that every chief minister from other states (Modi from Gujrat, and I don't remember his name some one from South) declared financial help to those who died in that train who were belongs to that states. It clearly means those Maharashtrians who died that day dose not hold any value to these chief ministers?
Why all the Nation and Nationality bhashanbaji everybody is throwing at Maharashtrians? It is time to check their nationality also.
High time guys, think there is always other side of the coin.....
undercover r u Idiot???????????
what i say this discussion is between dinkar harmalkar & Maverick, so please UNDERCOVER don't interfere in this.
i don't want Ur fully suggestions or fully information.
again u argue on this topic then it is true that u is a idiot
thanks
@dinkarharmalkar
Wow . what logic to prove someone idiot!! I love it. Reminds me of my kindergarten days....
I like you, Dinkar the Harmalkar. BTW way Dinakar in sanskrit means Sun. In fact , more I learn mararhi, more I wonder what is this fuss about languages.
All of them are from same source. Marathi uses Devnagri script and derives its source from Sanskrit, from which Hindi also originated.
@prashu:
" Everytime when the ruling person dose not try to understand sentiments of supressed, then on...."
Correct. supression happens in rual , unedcuated India where rich suppress poor. Thats why Naxalites are born. But in Mumbai??? Divide is artifically injected. Maharashtra is 42% urbanised, most urbanised state in India and its Govt is ruled by Marathi manoos. Shiv sena also ruled it. 90% of its legistlaure is marathi. So who is suppressed??? Come on...
"Don't loose hope dear, India still exists and it will. Only thing require is that we need to understand each other and co-exists. ........"
Correct. But India would cease to exist, when MSN like groups start targetting a community by branding them as usurper and when they start beating them on roads. It is beginning of an end....
"...I am again saying that those who are supporting MNS dose not asking for a new nation. We love India as much as others. But the question arise whether Others love us?..."
How shall we prove love for each other. I dont mean you and me. But each other in India!! Raj Thackeray and MNS can only generate hate, not love.
"Why all the Nation and Nationality bhashanbaji everybody is throwing at Maharashtrians? It is time to check their nationality also...."
MNS is not Maharshtrians. Bahsanbaji is for MNS and those who indulge in hate crimes.
ha..ha...
punha eakda
One question to undercover ?
Will you accept MNS without violence.
And to Prashu and dinkar
Would you like MNS without violence or you want them with violence.
For me .. i know and i have accepted mumbai as a cosmopolitan city, but its cosmopolitan beauty is vanishing slowly due to politics not due to marathi's or mumbaikars .. so please don't blame them. And i know no government can give that charm back to mumbai .. R K laxman will soon die with his common man.
@kiran.
"Will you accept MNS without violence."
I liked when Raj Started, and his first few lectures on how he wanted to rebuilt Maharashtra and how it will be all-inclusive. After first election debacle, he completely changed; like a chameleon. Now I do not understand thier agenda at all.In fact I find Udhav Thackeray more civil than Raj Thackeray.
So to answer you question, No, I dont see myself supporting MNS unless it undergoes a major change. I stand on right of center and MNS today is very left of centre.
I love RK Laxman. I love RK Laxman. He should be given Bharat Ratna
Yadavs Promoted Marathi!!
I found this while reading history of Maharashtra.
Read how marathi language became formidable and how "Yadavs" contributed to it. Though where these Yadavs came is also historically fuzzy.
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Marathi is one of oldest language in Indo-Aryan stack. Though, the foundations of Marathi culture was laid by the Yadavas and the peculiarities of Maharashtra's social life developed during their rule.
"Marathi literature began and grew thanks to the rise of both the Yadava dynasty of Devgiri((Marathi: देवगिरीचे यादव, Kannada: ಸೇವುಣರು)) (who adopted Marathi as the court language and patronized Marathi scholars) and two religious sects - Mahanubhav Panth and Warkari Panth, who adopted Marathi as the medium for preaching their doctrines of devotion. Marathi had attained a venerable place in court life by the time of the Yadava kings. During the reign of the last three Yadava kings, a great deal of literature in verse and prose, on astrology, medicine, Puranas, Vedanta, kings and courtiers were created. Nalopakhyan, Rukmini swayamvar and Shripati's Jyotishratnamala (1039 AD) are a few examples.
read more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marathi#Yadava
GoodBye All!
In all liklyhood I will be going on trek in Himalyas for 2 weeks. So I will leave you guys with some thought from one of my favourite Maharashtrians , Saint Tukaram, with his abhang :
शुध बीजापोति,फले रसाल गोमति
मुखि अम्रितचि वानी,देह देवचि कारनी
सर्वन्ग निर्मल,चित्त जैसे गन्गाजल
तुका मह्ने जाती, ताप दर्श्ने विश्रान्ती
(You will reap wholesome fruits if you sow a pure seed. He, who speaks sweet honeyed words, puts his body to good work and has a mind as pure as Ganga, relieves you of your sorrows and agony on casting a look at him.)
My good wishes to @prashu @meemarathi @dinkarharmalkar . Miss me guys, all three of you. And be nice when I away.
Make Love and peace.
Have a nice trip.
हिंसाचार तर कोणालाही नकोय. प्रश्न असा आहे की लोक हिंसाचारास उद्युक्त का झाले ?
अंडरकवर काकींच्या काही प्रतीक्रियांमधुन त्यांनी ४० वर्षांपूर्वी शिवसेनेने केलेल्या लुंगी हटाव आंदोलनाबद्धल विचारले आहे. मग विचार करण्यासारखी गोष्ट आहे, ४० वर्षांनी देखील मराठी जनतेवरचा का अन्याय चालू आहे ? माहीती अधीकाराखाली माहीती काढुन बरयाच वेळा या प्रकाराबद्धल वेगवेगळ्या मराठी वर्तमानपत्रात बातमी प्रसिद्ध झालेल्या आहेत (जरी रेल्वेच्या नोकरीच्या जाहीराती प्रसिद्ध झाल्या नसल्या तरी). या सगळ्याचा एकत्रित परिणाम म्हणजे, मराठी लोकांची हि भावना बनली की, आम्हाला कोणीही वाली नाही. मग ४० वर्षांचा धुमसलेला राग कदाचित बाहेर पडला असेल. कोणताही पक्ष जर हिंसाचार करत असेल तर ते वाईटच आहे, परंतु लोकांचा पाठिंबा त्या पक्षाला त्यावेळी का मिळाल, याचाही विचार व्हायला हवा. त्या दिवशी कामावर न जाऊ शकल्याने,मी सतत टि.व्ही. समोर बसुन होतो. बरयाच लोकांबरोबरच, एक रिक्शावाला स्टार माझा वर सांगत होता की त्याचा मनसेला पाठिंबा आहे. लक्षात घेण्यासारखी बाब ही आहे कि, त्याचाही त्या दिवशीचा धंदा बुडाला होता.
तुकारामांनी जर आत्ताची परिस्थीति बघितली असती, तर त्यांनी कपाळावर हात मारुन घेतला असता
हजारो वर्षांपूर्वी मराठीला कोणी आधार दिला, किंवा मराठीचे उगमस्थान काय, याचा सध्याच्या परीस्थीतीशी काहीही संबंध नाही. त्यावेळी यादवांनी निर्माण केलेली, सुवर्णनगरी (देवगिरी / विजयनगरचे साम्राज्य) आत्त्ताच्या यादवांनी तयार केली तर, त्यांच्या भाईबन्दांना राज्याबाहेर पडण्याची गरजच पडणार नाही.
तसेच दुसयांच्या अकलेवर संशय घेण्याचा हक्क कोणालही नाहि, अंडरकवर काकींना हेच कळत नाही, आणी नकळत त्या दुसर्याचा राग ओढवुन स्वतःचा अपमान करुन घेतात.
अंडरकवर काकींना माझ्या शुभेच्चा, हिमालयात जाताना, त्यांनी स्वत:च्या प्रतीक्रियांची कात्रणे घेउन जावीत, म्हणजे, मराठी माणुस असल्याने जर त्यांच्यावर तिथे हल्ला झाला, तर ती कात्रणे दाखवुन त्यांना स्वत:ला वाचवता येईल. शेवटी ती त्यांनी इंग्रजीतच लिहिली आहेत, त्यामुळे कोणालाही वाचता येतील. माझी त्याना विनन्ती आहे कि, आता जर उत्तरेत त्या जातच असतील, तर महराष्ट्राची जी बद्नामी चालु आह, त्याविरुध्ध त्यांनी जनजागरण करावे.
- धन्यवाद.
आपला पुतण्या "मी मराठी".
This is a classic stuff .. i wish undercover can understand it as this whole thing is in marathi. Too good meemarathi. :)
by undercover
and i like to u don't see again & again in future
Dear Kiran,
U have asked me whether I would like MNS without violence or I want them to go on doing violence.
Please read my reply to our friend Maverick, where I have clearly mentioned that I am not promoting violence but it's inevitability. This is how things are going on. If laloo could have taken exams properly then the issue could not have popped up.
And why to always blame MNS for the violence. Pls. see my same blog where all the parties from all the states are doing the same thing which MNS did. Following are few exampls.
1. Violence against Bramhins by Congressmen after Mahatma Gandi's assasination.
2. Violence against Shikhs by congressmen after assasination of Indira Gandhi.
3. Violence promoted by Moraraji desai which killed 105 Maharashtrians
4. Less is talk about UP/Bihar violence as they are synonyms.
5. Violence against Muslims in Gujrat.
6. Violence against Dalits in all parts of this country.
7. Few days back when thousand sikhs went on street with open words in their hands to kill Dera Sachha.
8. Violence against Biharis in Assaam.
Well this list is never ending. So It is not the MNS who are the patent holder of violence but it has become a standard practice off people all over the world to push their demands because they are not simply listen by the authorities.
Aren't those authorities are responsible also?
Second thing, I am not going to reply to whatever Mr. Undercover is saying. I am also not interested where he is going and whether coming back any day or not. I don't want to talk to a person who has defamed to my GOD Shri Chattrapati.
"Madhyayugatlya Yadavancha, Bihari Yadavanshi sambadh jodun jo kahi chawatpana chalala ahe tya baddal hasave ka radave hech samjat nahi. Kadachit apanas Mahit asel, nasel pan sangato Maharashtrian lokanmadhey suddha Yadav he surname ahe. Ya varun Lihanarya vyaktichya dnyanachi keev yete.
Jya Tukaram Maharajanya Abhangachi ithe udykti karnyat ali ahe te pahun ase vatate ki amchi bije bahutek suddha nasavi. Nahitar to abhang ithe lihnuachi garajach navati.
Abhangala tyanchyach Abhangane pratyutar...
"Menahuni Mau Amhi Vishnudas, Kathinapi vajras bhedu aaiseee"
"Bhale tari deu kasechi Langoti,
Nathalache Mathi hanu kathiii."