The Arrest of Raj was a foregone conclusion given the Flak he drew from a United North Indian -UP /Bihari Political Lobby prevailing on Deshmukh/RR Patil regime thru the (in)famous High Command which currently survives on support from likes of Amar singh and Yadav's >Mulayam Singh + Laloo.
This i had predicted as the natural outcome of protests done by MNS activists some time back on this portal.
However the issues raised by Raj are quite relevant w/o subscribing to his violence thoery which would achieve nothing except Anti -Marathi consolidation. we as marathis need to understand the following bare facts in todays India which is very different from Free India which we all worked together as Indians perhaps (rather our forefathers worked for it w/o looking at which part of the country one came from).
1. Marathi's are generally kept out of power circles in almost all industries or vocations. If a Marathi tries to do something and wants to become successful he /she must possess only genius like a Lata Mangeshkar or sachin tendulkar and not just talent.This is true for anyone who currently works in this casteist polarised country.
2.The amount of clannishness shown by other communities is phenomenal in Todays India and makes me wonder "why Hindutva " then ? As generally all comunities introduce or pride themselves as Marwari's, Mardasis, Bengali's, Keralites and Now due to RAJ'S efforts (Bhaiyya;s) who were hitherto not so united, despite speaking a common language. In fact this is what he has achieved more rather than achieving marathi unity with a defined purpose, which i have always been telling can be achieved more by community service than by such violence.
3. Check any large MNC or Large Indian company today and see how many Maharashtrian CEO's/CXO's exist including how many of our community actually dominate the space in the corporate world? In fact even check the staff in most organistions out of pune and you would find so many madrasis and keralites in Mumbai alone. Now we have these bhaiyyas competing for milkman and taxidriver !! Hence we must look at how we can fill up these slots with our people rather than wasting time beating up north indians and actaully uniting them against us for no reason. At least North indians that way are less paraochial then madrasis and keralites. This is why till date no marathi in north has been attacked. if Raj had chosen Tamilians instead of North Indians perhaps the repercussions would have been felt in chennai or any south Indian city on Marathis as well.
4. If you see the clannishness amongst the above mentioned communities, is so high that they dont allow anyone even if he has merit ( iam not speaking of genius here as that no one can deny) to come up w/o doing a long struggle against their caste lobby.
5. In fact the great Lakshmi Mittal had the audacity to tell a TV channel(i saw this interveiw and was pissed off) that the great indian businessmen besdies him were Birla and Goenka. Thus he did not mention TATA, AMBANI , Murthy who were non Marwari. See the extent to which casteism prevails and dominates thinking even of such accomplished people. then my question is "why Hindutva" . why should our sena's shed their blood against Muslims when these communities, cannot fight on their own against Islamic extremism.
6. Hence what issues RAJ has raised have merit but his methods would achieve excactly the opposite as this gives chance for them to further take reason to sideline us. See what treatment our leaders have received at Delhi after Independence and you will agree with me.
7. I have already proposed in some of my earlier articles on this forum what and how we can actaully reverse the trend for Marathi community and appeal to all Marathi folks to actaully give the Shiv sena and MNS a large majority once and for all to prove what they can really do for marathi people in 5 years.
At least then he wont have to protest or organise protests of this fashion and thus show how much benefit they can do to the common marathi man.
Once again let me tell again on this portal that till Marathi people who have some infleunce or business do not do community service and inculclate this spirit we are not going to reach any where.
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This i had predicted as the natural outcome of protests done by MNS activists some time back on this portal.
However the issues raised by Raj are quite relevant w/o subscribing to his violence thoery which would achieve nothing except Anti -Marathi consolidation. we as marathis need to understand the following bare facts in todays India which is very different from Free India which we all worked together as Indians perhaps (rather our forefathers worked for it w/o looking at which part of the country one came from).
1. Marathi's are generally kept out of power circles in almost all industries or vocations. If a Marathi tries to do something and wants to become successful he /she must possess only genius like a Lata Mangeshkar or sachin tendulkar and not just talent.This is true for anyone who currently works in this casteist polarised country.
2.The amount of clannishness shown by other communities is phenomenal in Todays India and makes me wonder "why Hindutva " then ? As generally all comunities introduce or pride themselves as Marwari's, Mardasis, Bengali's, Keralites and Now due to RAJ'S efforts (Bhaiyya;s) who were hitherto not so united, despite speaking a common language. In fact this is what he has achieved more rather than achieving marathi unity with a defined purpose, which i have always been telling can be achieved more by community service than by such violence.
3. Check any large MNC or Large Indian company today and see how many Maharashtrian CEO's/CXO's exist including how many of our community actually dominate the space in the corporate world? In fact even check the staff in most organistions out of pune and you would find so many madrasis and keralites in Mumbai alone. Now we have these bhaiyyas competing for milkman and taxidriver !! Hence we must look at how we can fill up these slots with our people rather than wasting time beating up north indians and actaully uniting them against us for no reason. At least North indians that way are less paraochial then madrasis and keralites. This is why till date no marathi in north has been attacked. if Raj had chosen Tamilians instead of North Indians perhaps the repercussions would have been felt in chennai or any south Indian city on Marathis as well.
4. If you see the clannishness amongst the above mentioned communities, is so high that they dont allow anyone even if he has merit ( iam not speaking of genius here as that no one can deny) to come up w/o doing a long struggle against their caste lobby.
5. In fact the great Lakshmi Mittal had the audacity to tell a TV channel(i saw this interveiw and was pissed off) that the great indian businessmen besdies him were Birla and Goenka. Thus he did not mention TATA, AMBANI , Murthy who were non Marwari. See the extent to which casteism prevails and dominates thinking even of such accomplished people. then my question is "why Hindutva" . why should our sena's shed their blood against Muslims when these communities, cannot fight on their own against Islamic extremism.
6. Hence what issues RAJ has raised have merit but his methods would achieve excactly the opposite as this gives chance for them to further take reason to sideline us. See what treatment our leaders have received at Delhi after Independence and you will agree with me.
7. I have already proposed in some of my earlier articles on this forum what and how we can actaully reverse the trend for Marathi community and appeal to all Marathi folks to actaully give the Shiv sena and MNS a large majority once and for all to prove what they can really do for marathi people in 5 years.
At least then he wont have to protest or organise protests of this fashion and thus show how much benefit they can do to the common marathi man.
Once again let me tell again on this portal that till Marathi people who have some infleunce or business do not do community service and inculclate this spirit we are not going to reach any where.
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The arrest proves that whatever raj thackrey has said earlier about the state goverment being bias is correct.
I totally agree with sandeep here about marathi people helping fellow marathi's to come up and help them in jobs, but at the same time don't do injustice to those who deserves the job. Be fair don't do anything like lalu does in railways .. that us. Jai maharashtra.
I agree that Maharashtrians generally are in bad shape. But there are many Maharashtrians who are doing good too. There are many people on this site who are doing quite well in their life and career.
Let me give you one simple example. I am not making any prediction, but see this.
Right now, Sachin is India's most revered cricketer ever. God.
Once Sachin retires, Sachin is powerful enough to say, I am going to be the next Indian Olympic Association president. All parties should support me. I will then improve every sport in India from villages upwards, and I will make India not just a cricketing superpower but also a sports superpower like China. Everyone please bless me in my decision.
Sachin can ask to become the sports minister and he can be. he can be the BCCI president. He can be anything!
Now, please make some prediction on what Sachin will really do after he retires.
I think the answer to our problems is there in that prediction.
Raj is what I call a demagogue, just like his uncle. Demagogues usually have some valid idea which inspires their followers.
But in practice, they end up having no effect as they are pathetic at doing anything systematically and with a long term vision. They are into symbolism, quick results - and they always fail.
Sad, as Raj's basic point is right. Maharashtrians need jobs, social improvement, better infrastructure etc. But going about it the way he goes, he will always be able to scare some outsiders and make locals happy. And that will be the limit.
I am quite curious. In raj's businesses and investments, how many Maharashtrians are involved?
Raj is demagogue? Which bloody politician in India is not tell me.Why always Raj.
"They end up having no effect" Char din mein Marathi signbaords dikhayi diye har jaga.This was job of Maharastra Govt wasn't it ? But all this years what they did about it nothing.
Look at other state govt every state govt is putting the interest of their people first. Look at Laloo he is trying to move all railways jobs to UP bihar. Students are given all possible help. Modi might be villian for entire country but in Gujarat he is GOD. Look what he has done to Gujarat in these years.Who cares what other states think of Maharastra.Think whatever u want to.
Sala Maharastra ka hi Govt Ch@# hai who is serving other state people’s interest while its own people are suffering.Whatever other politician does u always say they r anyways like that only what to do they will not improve then why Raj should ? What u expect from Raj and MNS? They should carry a candle in their hands like the one in Rang de and do a candle walk and sit in front of Mantralay for our rights.Then hamari Govt ko daya ayegi.
Todfod kis agitation mein nahi hoti. What happened in UP bihar. Police had to open firing on students there. They were burning trains who chalta hai. Why according to media that was Hakk ki Ladayi. Sala duniya jhagade to Hakk ke liye and if Raj does he is demagogue.He has no vision.
Ek Gandhi bus hogaya India mein Dusara nahi chahiye. Ab Maharastra ko Gandhi nahi Raj hi chahiye. Marathi people should support him completely. I support him completely.His points are correct and valid.
funaholic i think that there are lot of puesdo-maharashtrians around.. in my opinion they are even more dangerous than bigoted parochial outsiders
Dear Sandeep and all,
Let me tell you first that nobody in Bihar (except Yadavs and some lower castes)will ever object if you beat Lalu...
Why beat innocent students? That is not manly...
Instead, you should ask your leadership to press for the government to enact a law where all unskilled jobs will go to the local population.
Being a Bihari, I know the shortage of labour we face in Bihar... We don't get them there even paying handsome money and other benefits.
Bihar is largely a Hindu state with strong Hindu ethos, and only due to some jokers damaging the image of brand, the state, that is the birthplace of Hindu civilisation, doesn't deserve that much hatred. It's a bad phase for Bihar... only due to the fact that Lalu raped it for 15 long years... Don't let Maharashtra to meet the same fate..
If you are instigating people to be Marathis first then an Indian, then we should better split on linguistic basis and don't stay as a nation.
Why do we need Pakistan and other Islamic terrorists to do the job they are doing quite successfully, when we have Thackerays, Lalus and Mulayams among us?
Best wishes....
Even the members of Indian Army has started getting negatively effected by all this absurd things that calls for attention by all.
A colleague just said... What if Pakistan (or any other Arab nation) attacks Maharashtra and the Army men from Punjab, Rajasthan, UP and Bihar refuse to participate in it.
We have been fighting in Kashmir for a long time.... Is Maharashtra going to be the next Kashmir?
Dear Sir, my regards to you. Are you currently serving in the Indian army? Also are you on short service comission? My elder brother and one cousin are also in the army. Jai Hind, Jai Maharashtra.
Totally agree with article.Maharashtrians have been spineless for far too long what with people like Deshmukh,R.R.Patil,Nikhil Wagle(so called progressive minded)being around.
National unity,being Indian first sound good and can be put in practice if we respect the cultural diversity of our country and not be dictated by the majority(Hindi) .If other states can stand up for their identity eg Tamil Nadu,Bengal why can't we.
I think the center should seriously try and find out why these problems start(Assam,North East,Tamil Nadu anyways doesn't give a damn to what centre says!!)
Keep Raj aside for moment and tell me, is there any space in mumbai for 4500,2000,1000 or 100 migrants come daily? Is mumbai/MH require these people. Now there is no space to build BMC toilet then where these people live- new slums or news building on the bay of mithi.
There is freedom for exam and job, tomorrow whole up/bhihar wish to come to Maharashtra for job then what is ur answer?
You do not need servant in your home but one person come to your home and start working as servant what is your reaction. Same thing with ur village but number is 50-100 and with city/state 500-...... so you have to react in same way. If we need personnel and our people are not capable then we will definatly give to chance to other but I think not now.
lax this is what people like u ans me are saying.....
But other people they dont understand... or just dont want to understand.
{Any ways in times of india it is written that
"9600 Pakistanis 'missing' after visa expiry"
The number of Pakistani nationals who did not return after coming to India using valid travel documents has increased by nearly 30% in
2008 — the year when the level of infiltration in Jammu and Kashmir has dropped substantially.
Is this a mere coincidence or is there some design in it? The question is haunting the minds of security agencies which have found that as many as 9,636 Pakistani nationals did not return to their country after expiry of their visas this year as compared to 7,404 in 2007.
Though all those who went missing may not be terrorists or criminals, the substantial increase in the number this year has made the security agencies sit up.
While 7,404 Pakistanis did not return after expiry of their visas in 2007, the figure was 7,650 in 2006 and 7,043 in 2005. The figures — disclosed in the Lok Sabha on Tuesday — clearly show the marginal increase or decrease in the number of missing Pakistanis during 2005-07 as compared to what was recorded (9,636) till July this year.
Sources in the home ministry said that though some of them had been deported after verification as they recorded their presence with the concerned Foreigners Regional Registration Offices (FRROs), it had been quite difficult to trace each one of them who disappeared after arrival.
Without ruling out the possibility of Pakistani intelligence agency ISI taking the legal route (using proper visa) to sneak in terrorists into India, a senior home ministry official said: “It is suspected particularly when the number of infiltration has come down substantially this year. The ISI can do it to beat its failure on the infiltration front.”
He said: "The authorities in Pakistan can adopt any means to infiltrate militants when a number of infiltration bids have been foiled this year by the Army and BSF. The role of the Pakistani Army and Pakistan Rangers in helping infiltrators through cover fire is not a secret."
As against 419 infiltrators during April-September 2007, there have been only 243 infiltrators during the same period this year with the Army establishing a strong "multi-tier counter infiltration grid". }
If such migration continues than its really going to be very tough especially for Mumbai.
Pakistani infiltration into India is only in a very small way connected to the immigrant problem in Mumbai, which is a huge problem in its own right.
Or is raj protesting against Pakistanis? I don't think so.
he is protesting against Pakistanis ..... Also I think no. But if he find any person doing dadagiri and if he is found Pakistanis ... Than he will surelu protest them.
he is protesting against all those who refuse to imbibe maharashtrian ethos and respect its culture.. be they pakis, bangladeshis, germans, UPites, biharis,...
trouble is that last two categories cannot or rather DO NOT want to undertand what he is trying to convey.. AND they have leaders who dont have any hesitation in demanding that infiltrators of the first two categories be made 'citizens' of India
See, we should be clear about the issues.
1) Maharashtrian youth and jobs
2) Maharashtrian culture and ethos
3) Pakistanis and terrorism
1 -- The first one is not going to come from violence for sure. Violence definitely is not going to get that. Right now all that is happening is that the rest of the country is slowly turning against Maharashtra - that is not what we want if item no. 3 is important. Division does not help in that case. Reservations for locals is something that will happen only if Congress, NCP, Sena, BJP and MNS try together. It requires a huge change in the way the rest of the country sees Mumbai - and one party and some beatings are not enough for that.
2. This is a function of the population and dominant economic groups. If Maharashtrians are 90 % of the population of Mumbai, then it will be a Maharashtrian city. People's tongues follow the money. If English language brings jobs and money, in another 20 years, everyone would be speaking English. If Marathi is where the big money is, people will speak Marathi. Historically, it has never happened in any other way. Unless Maharashtrians control big business, factories and corporates, it cannot happen. A few signboards are nothing. Plus, like Kiran and Punch themselves have said before, most Marathis with interest in literature and culture are now in US!!
3. Terrorism, etc. http://www.ibnlive.com/news/backlash-against-raj-in-bihar-train-torched/76447-3.html
Bihari population is Indian, not Pakistani, as we know. So we have Bihari students thrashed in Mumbai, and they have protests against Maharashtra outside. What you are seeing there is division. Disunity in the country. Note the economic blockade of Kashmir valley last month in Jammu. Things like this can lead us there. Just a caution.
I agree with asthipanjar, but that doesn't mean i won't support raj thackrey .. these are my reasons.
1) Raj thackrey and any common marathi / mumbaikar is actually very simple and humble guy. So that means he can be fooled easily. Even if he knows he is getting fooled he won't bother unless it is too much (thats his main problem may be). So the immediate next level of reaction is as per his intellectual as well as socio economic level. Raj's reaction matched with most of the marathi crowd. And thats the reality.
2) But at the same time, we can take example of shiv sena they have done the same things in the past, but did they solve any of the problems which asthipanjar has mentioned. NO. they never went ahead of "Vada Pav" and "Zunka Bhakar". May be they don't want marathi manoos to go further then that.
3) Now lets see who can do this is maharashtra ? NOBODY. everybody is same. Congress is punishing MNS to break shiv sena. Shiv sena is quite because they want to good reason to come in the news etc. Nobody is really bothered about real issues
4) I will support anybody who see the problem that out of 15,000 marathi candidates appeared for exams only 54 have passed some 2-3 years ago and record is not different in sunseuqent years. And if you are telling me that this is because marathi candidates are not good enough. Then we won't take it.
No party is doing any good now, then why not go with one who at least talk about it.
I sincerely wish raj thackrey fill up the gaps which shiv sena has left open. Or we will see another sena beating up some other indians 10 years down the line and then marathi manoos will be still selling vada pavs.
Maharastra goverment padlich paheje
By saying this will not make any sense. We All actually have to work on it. Only raj Thackeray and his party people will not make a change.
I think this time During election we all need to vote for MNS rather than voting shiv sena
==== I dont have any idea weather they stand against each other ====
Agree with Kiran.
The issue is too big for one party to manage. It is even possible to debate solutions only if everyone comes together.
But it is nothing but a political show as of now.
Social reformers sometimes can do something. Someone who focuses on today's issues, a modern-day Baba Amte or someone... I dont think there is anyone like that.
What raj is trying to say to the people as well as politicians is very much right. Because no. of biharies come to mumbai & other cities of mahcarashtra due to this local unemployment increases and also slums are increasing in cities.
But here i would also like to mention that, thease problems are raising due to unbalanced development of country.Countries politicians are very much responsible for that. But the way MNS supporter are destoying property is very Wrong and police should take strict action.
The issue of migration to Maharashtra has grown out of proportion. Now the situation is such that, you find the north indians even in the remote villages of maharashtra, say along the kokan coast. Mr. Raj Thakeray is correct in raising this issue. And the Northern Media and political lobby, instead of acknowledging it, are trying to put Mr. Thakeray on the offensive. We have witnessed it in the last couple of days. The common reason they site is "It is the constitutional right of a person to go and work in any part of the country." Only thing MNS is saying is that should not happen by side-lining the locals. When there is a major recruitment drive in the railways, is it not the responsibility of the Railway Ministry to publish proper advertisements in the local papers? Railway ministry should even provide for training at the local level. We see the majority of the North Indians in almost all central govt. establishments. Even in the MTNL, they have good numbers. If they are here to work, then why are they trying to prove their political strength. Is Mr. Laloo Prasad not equally responsible for creating this situation? Had he agreed to meet and listen to the MNS delegation, may be Mumbai would not have witnessed this public ire.
Looking at the way these people are trying to put Mr. Thakeray in the legal net, (even by using false accusations), is it not hatred? I just do not understand the mindset of the youth of bihar. They are just not questioning their political leadership.
@ Anavre
MNS and Sena officially have the same motives - uplift of Maharashtrians. Its a noble motive too.
But what is happening is --
1. MNS = right thought + wrong action. If we support MNS, we are supporting both. There is no way you can say, I support MNS but I dont support violence. The two are interconnected. Same goes for Sena.
2. Media -- Media starts talking about freedom to work anywhere. This is correct legally and morally - but this doesn't take into account the real problems of Maharashtra.
So what has really happened? Media is not discussing the issue, they are discussing the method of protest. As long as the method of protest remains the same, media will only talk about the method, not the issue.
If you want media to stop discussing the method, you have to stop the method. And then, if media still does not discus the issue, then you should protest and force the media to discuss the issue. For example, MNS, Sena, BJP, Congress and NCP leaders should come on TV and debate how to handle Maharashtrians' problems.
I can tell you one thing for sure. I know the media well, I have worked in it a bit.
As long as there is violence, the topic is violence. Nobody can change that. You may have the best issue, the most right, justifiable issue. But if someone gets beaten up, your issue is discredited.
So it is in Maharashtrians interest that violence does not happen at all.
I support the MNS as long as Raj can find a way of fixing the issue without violence. Reservation for Maharashtrians? lets debate that. Loans? Better education? Sure. But if violence happens, I am against him.
However important the issue is, I don't think decent people can support anyone who gets into violence.
What reservations are you talking about? We are maharashtrians, and we should get preference in job opportunities within maharashtra, there is absolutely no question of reservations for the locals in Maharashtra. And as for media, you sure know more than me, but what about the lobbying (the media and the Northern leadership), we have seen it umpteen times, even when Mr. Raj Thakeray said something about Jaya Bachchan, the way the National News Channels carried out that story (Anti-Raj campaign) was that not biased? The topic is violence, because that is what the Media wants to focus on. And tell me one-thing, is it fair on the part of the media to continuously project the same stories again and again. Were they not creating panic? Or were they doing it knowingly? Only on Sunday, did we see the Media Discussing this issue, in the debates.
So it is in Maharashtrians interest that violence does not happen at all.
It surely is. But which other way can we get these brain-less leaders to at-least acknowledge that they are not doing things the right way.