I am not afraid of anyone. I will show the might of the people from Bihar and UP by performing Chhath Puja in front of Raj Thackeray's house. If he has courage to face the secular forces in the country, he is free to try and face the consequences," Lalu said.
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This is little too much now. Lalu should shut up and manage his own problems. There is a scene in karnataka over partiality in railway recruitments, they broke the furniture and glasses in the railways office. Lalu have enough problems to face, don't start new issues.
Agree with kiran on his analysis.
The issue was started by politicians and they are only firing it up. Now, lalu who has ditched their people in Bihar is talking non-sense for benifit of biharis in Mumbai by provoking statements.
This is going to take more blood of general people, the common man like one of us.
Judiciary should make politicians responsible for their statemenets and actions. Are we seeing need of regulatory body similar to that of election commission?
If Lalu wants to take a challenge he must take challenge of making Bihar a prosperous state so that no Bihari has to leave his own state in search of a job.
I totally agree!!!
dialogbaazi vs dialogbaazi.
You honestly thought Raj would say something and other politicians would keep quiet afterwards?
Thats the reason why this whole thing is dangerous. Raj says something, Lalu will respond, now Raj will respond again.. and finally it will all go out of control.
Why don't this bhaiyas show some guts and go and do some Shakti pradrashan in their own states. Why cannot they question their leaders as to for how many more years we will have move out of our state for seeking livelihood and thus be a burden other states and would be treated the way they were treated in last few weeks.
A Place that had seen the golden times in Indian Histroy is today probably the most unfortunate part of the world. Too many poor people, too little education, too little production, too much of politics and too many self serving, & self centered politicians, casetism etc. There plight of children, women is even bad who might undergo enormous harship when they are sold into bondage, or forced to give up schooling because they must raise their younger siblings or assist their parents in income-generating activities.
Not surprisingly, Bihar is at the top of the list of negative indicators. Kidnappings: 3rd highest after UP and Rajasthan. Murder rate: 2nd highest after UP. Total fertility rate: 4.4 second to UP (national average 3.3.) Bihar trails in practically all indicators of development such as literacy rate to income distribution. Is media concerned about this?Why cannot they talk abt this.
I read somewhere that Bihar gets about 1000 MW of power from outside the state, 700 MW of which is unaccounted for. Patna consumes 300 MW, a good bit of which appears to have been used by the Rabri Devi household. It is reported that when she vacated her official Chief Minister’s residence, they had to remove 53 air conditioners.
Such people who cannot stand for themselves well deserves blood sucking goondas as their leaders like Lallu, mayavati , pasvan ,nitesh kumar. And Mumbai is not a dharmashala for them.
Funaholic, I think all you know abt is statistics and you do not know the actual ground reality of the people in Bihar. So it would be better if you do not speak.
Today you can speak about the greatness of Mumbai just because of the outsiders here!!! Otherwise there wouldn't have been much progress in Maharashtra too. It is because of the economic condition of Mumbai that Maharashtra has developed. If it was not for Mumbai, maybe you would have had to leave for some other state to earn your livelihood!!
Hundreds of farmers are dieing in Maharashtra, What the heck is Raj Thackrey or any other damn politician of Maharashtra doing about it?
Speaking of burden, there are a lot of Maharashtrians in the US, Europe and the Middle East who are a burden on the economy there!! Why don't you call them back?? These countries prefer Indians because we provide cheap labor and if a "Bhayya" provides cheap labor you conside it as crime????
In a state like Bihar, where there is no education, people don't even know who their chief minister is. There, earning Rs.10 p/day is also a big thing. Is the man left with an option, than to come to a bigger city?? Aree jisko khaane ko roti nahi hain woh kya awaaz uthayega??
There the government is run by goonda's, do you even think you can raise your voice against a man standing with a gun pointed at your head???? The caste system there is horrible!! What are you speaking about Funaholic??? You cannot even differentiate between a Bihari and a Uttar Pradeshi!!
Yes, the politicians are to be blamed for sure!!! Why blame the common man?? What wrong has the common man from these places done to you??
Most taxis in Mumbai that are driven by "Bhayyas" are owned by Maharashtrians!! The driving licences issued to them is by Maharashtrian officers in the RTO?? The ration/voter ID cards that have been isssued to them in Maharashtra is by the Maharashtrians in the Ration card and election card offices!! If you really do not want them to stay here, then why give them legal access to this places in the first place? Where is Raj Thackrey when all this is happening?? Why doesn't he warn his fellow Marathi Bhau against these corrupt practices?? And why do you not show some guts and ask Raj Thackrey why is he not taking care of this situation?
Yes Mumbai is not a Dharamshaala ...... but then in that case it is not a Dharamshala for anyone. Mumbai should go to the Koli's in that case!! Because not even the Maharastrians are originally from Mumbai. Everyone has come to Mumbai in some point of time to earn a better living, which they could not get in their home towns ...... may it be Maharashtra, Gujarat, Karnataka, Bihar or UP!! The Koli's should be actually driving everyone of us out of Mumbai!!
I being a Mumbaikar, understand the furstration of a common Mumbaikar. Mumbai has its own set of problems which is aggrievating every day. But beating up people is not a solution dear. You do not understand the repurcursions of what we are doing today. The results of the seeds of differences that we are sowing today, will have to reeped by our children.
Perfect reasoning lostwanderer! Agree with your perspective completely.
what are u telling me abt Mumbai is bcoz of outsiders.yaha ke local log inke chande pe jeete the na.What r u talking is abt many many years back.They all r considered as Mumbaikars today.Nobody is touching them.
Mumbai should go to the Koli's in that case!! Because not even the Maharastrians are originally from Mumbai.
Kolis :-In Maharashtra they are found in the coastal regions of Maharashtra. They are also one of the original inhabitants of Mumbai.In Maharashtra the Kolis almost exclusively speak Marathi language and belong to the Marathi ethnic group.
hahahahahha :-D .Thoda Info Nikalne ka re bangduuuu likhne se phele.
Hundreds of farmers are dieing in Maharashtra, What the heck is Raj Thackrey or any other damn politician of Maharashtra doing about it?
Perfect Agreed.
But look at our Farmers.They are still fighting for their rights and justice.They are also equally poor like bihari bhaiyas.But They prefer to die in their own land rather than running away from this situation burdening any other state for that matter.Bcoz they knw they will have to fight out now or their childrens future will suffer.
Mumbai is capital of maharastra.Bheek mang ke mila nahi hai sirjee.Marathi people had to give their lives for this.Do u knw what HUTATMA CHOWK stands for.It is estimated that in all, 405 people were shot by security forces. This was then only second to the Jalianwala Bagh shooting in terms of casualties.This fight was against Govt. our own Govt.
Thats what I am saying lostwander all politicians have been F@&#@#@.So what the people should give up? My point was only why they are not fighting against their govt.
I am not justifying what Raj Thackrey is doing at all.I didnot even speak abt him.
ladki sahi bol reli hai baap
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also lostwanderer and chetan before talking about mumbai and maharashtra pls stop and think which 3 states partitioned themselves just a few years back
arrey jab uttar anchal walon ko UP waale and jharkhand waalon ko bihari hazam nahin huey to maharashtra say kya umeed laga kay baithay ho ?
Today you can speak about the greatness of Mumbai just because of the outsiders here!!! Otherwise there wouldn't have been much progress in Maharashtra too. It is because of the economic condition of Mumbai that Maharashtra has developed. If it was not for Mumbai, maybe you would have had to leave for some other state to earn your livelihood!!
....My dear lostwanderer, your mind itself is lost. Maharashtra did not develop because of any outsiders, it devoloped because it was a good place to invest in. Understand this basic fact.you keep talking about outsiders. As if outsiders did some charity or ehsaan by investing here. Get it into your head once and for all-outsiders CHOSE to invest in Maharashtra becuase it was more PROFITABLE-the outsider "be grateful to us" arguement is meaningless. THye invested here for their own benefit-get it into your head.
Why did they invest here and not in THEIR OWN states?? Can you answer this question? You people keep talking about outsiders..as if outsiders were doing some charity or sacrfice by coming/investing here. Maharashtra was a good state to invest in. Period. Saying "if they hadn't come" is meaningless. As long as Maharashtra was a good place to invest in-they would have come. As long Maharashtra offered them opportunities-they would have come. These guys did not leave palaces behind and condescend to come. They had the choice to invest in their own states as well as the rest of the country. They chose to invest here-stop trying to make it seem as they did some great favour by coming here. They DID NOT.
Hence, wealth was not created by any outsiders. Maharashtra is wealthy today becuase it offered a good environment to investors who then invested because it was a great place to invest in. Maharashtra got all these investments because it was a good place to invest-not because of the charity of outsiders, not because they were here to do us some favours, not because of any other reason. Remeber: outsiders found it more profitable to be investing here then any other place.
These outsiders had the chance of investing in Bihar/UP. They chose not to exercise it. Got it?
Hence, "if outsiders hadn't come"...as long as MH was a good place to invest in, they would have come. Instead of shooting off your mouth about "outsiders" please introspect about why these outsiders:
were incapable of going to other states
were incapable of creating another MUmbai in their own states
had to come to Maharashtra in the first place
As far as outsiders are concerned, keep in mind the following:
Kolkata Chennai, Delhi, Bangalore, Hyderabad are all cities developed by outsiders. Each of these cities is what it is today because of outsiders. Especially Chennai. If you have the courage, please go there and say these things there.
Contrary to your usual "Mumbai is all there is to MH" impression, the facts are as follows: (But you seem to dislike statistics/facts and prefer stale, trite generalizations:
a.) There are SEVEN districts in MH which are RICHER PER CAPITA than Mumbai. (Hence, Mumbai is not the richest district in MH..Surpise, Surprise!)
b.) Maharashtra's economy=600,000 crores
Mumbai's economy= 200,000 crores
Therefore MH=MUM=400,000 crores
This sum is 1.5 times bigger than the entire economy of GUJARAT.
Hence, Maharashtra's economy MINUS MUMBAI is 1.5 times bigger than Gujarat.
When you say devolopment has taken place in this state
because of Mumbai, you are only exposing your own ignorance and bigotedness. The characteristic of the non-Maharashtrian is a deep superiority complex, deep arrogance and deep ignorance. You seem to display all the above.
Please do some research on the economy of Maharashtra and what percentage of it is actually from Mumbai. Mumbai is not the reason for Maharashtra's progress.
Please tell me, how has development taken place outside Maharashtra because of Mumbai? HOW? IN what way is the rest of Maharashtra devoloped because of Mumbai...if that is the criteria, this is applicable to ALL STATES in India.
BTW, before talking about the Maharashtrians in other countries, keep in mind the following:
a.) They are not a votebank
b.) Their numbers are not increasing out of all proportion
c.) Their entry is restricted severely; these countries can pick and choose which Maharashtrians they want, which they don't.
d.) They are not causing ANY demographic change or reducing the local people to a minority
e.) THey can be deported from these countries at any time
f.) They had to apply for such a thing as a "visa" and a whole host of other things before they went.
g.) The country can TOMORROW tell all Maharashtrians :SORRY, No more Maharashtrians from this minute onwards. All entry debarred.
h.) They are not building slums.
Keeping the above in mind, is the situation comparable? Or do you just unthinkingly regurgitate the same old stale old rubbish which has been fed to you by TOI/Headlines Today/Times Now? Read something other than the TOI-that is the main problem with guys like you. You are ignorant and arrogant as well, and devoid of logic or rationality to boot.
BTW, the Maharashtrians in other countries are not being used as cheap labour. You may check this out if you wish by asking Maharashtrians what their relatives in USA are doing.
If you cannot understand that Mumbai's resources are limited, that infrastructure is LIMITED, that Maharashtra's resources are LIMITED, that infrastructure beyond a point cannot be created, that there is a LIMIT to how many migrants any city/state/place can absord, that no place in the WORLD tolerates enmasse migration into it, (that is why there are visas/work permits), that no place in the world can absorb or withstand uninhibited migration from other places without a backlash, that the state/city cannot take people beyond a point-
THEN YOU ARE BEING BRAINLESS. NO amount of talking about the constitution, nationalism, liberalism, secularism, Indianness, we are all Indians, throw away these platitudes. Look the harsh truth in the face:
There is a LIMIT to how many migrants can be absorbed. Face this fact. No, talking about migrants etc from all parts of India, Kolis is meaningless. There were still resources left for these guys. Today, Mumbai just cannot take more people. Don't worry, Thakrey's ouburst is just the beginning of the slow IMPLOSION of Mumbai. The city is going to implode. Other metros only await their turn.
BTW, about the Maharashtrian government servants giving taxi licenses etc. Do you have any idea just how taxi permits are handed out? Or are you just talking? Find out how taxi permits are handed out and then talk. Taxi permits are not handed out by the RTO, think a little before talking. RTO does not hand Taxi permits. Taxi permits are handed out by the taxi union-run by able Mr. Quadros. Please get your facts right before typing.
As far as Ration Cards/Election Cards...the Election Commission hands out voters ID cards. Not the state government. Get your facts right before jabbering away. Does the EC employ Maharashtrians-you should know this...
As far as Ration Cards...indeed the Marathi manus handed them out. He handed them out because all Indians are equal right? Becuase he has no right to deny them to a fellow Indian right? Because he isn't as bad as he is made out to be is he?
How funny that when a Maharashtrian denies something it is called chauvanism, when he does not deny it-he is accused of corruption!! BTW, do you know how and who grants Ration Cards? Your use of the term Ration Card Office suggests a certain ignorance.
BTW, what the Marathi manus has GIVEN with one hand, he can TAKE BACK with the other-right? TOmorrow, if the Government of Maharashtra TAKES BACK all the ration cards and deletes all the Bihari/UP names in the voters list, ALL THE NAMES and ALL THE RATION CARDS (Since they have given with one had ,they can take back with another, right?) will you promise not to object?
Will you promise not to complain of chauvanism? Will you promise to congratulate the BMC on a job well done?
No, you will then shouting from the rooftop about parochialism, chauvanism, Nazism etc etc.
BTW, why did the taxi union PROTEST when the GOM wanted to modernize the taxi fleet? When they wanted to replace these 55,000 antiquated taxis with 10,000 modern ones? Who do you think were the drivers of these modern taxis? Hint: it was not the UPites.
So the community you accuse of refusing to drive taxis was more than willing to drive the cool cabs, and drive the modern fleet of taxis.
Yet, the Taxi Union OPPOSED these modern taxis and their Maharashtrian drivers. Today Mumbai is denied a taxi fleet which is modern because of this reason.
Now tell mw, these same guys say Maharashtrians aren't willing to drive taxis-so just who was driving the taxis that they opposed so vociferously? OTOH, you say that Maharashtrians want only government jobs and refuse to do anything else.
On the other, Maharashtrians drive rickshaws in every nook and corner of Maharashtra, deliver milk, deliver newspapers and deliver much much more in every town and city of Maharashtra (including milk and newspapers). IN the face of all this, what is the logic in saying that a Maharashtrian wants only a goverment job?
P.S. Do you have any idea of how many people ACTUALLY WORK in the Government of Maharashtra?
It is one of the smallest employers among all state governments in India. Other state governments employ far more people per person than Maharashtra.
Lostwandererswamy and Chetanswamy:
If you cannot understand that Mumbai's resources are limited, that infrastructure is LIMITED, that Maharashtra's resources are LIMITED, that infrastructure beyond a point cannot be created, that there is a LIMIT to how many migrants any city/state/place can absord, that no place in the WORLD tolerates enmasse migration into it, (that is why there are visas/work permits), that no place in the world can absorb or withstand uninhibited migration from other places without a backlash, that the state/city cannot take people beyond a point-
THEN YOU ARE BEING BRAINLESS. NO amount of talking about the constitution, nationalism, liberalism, secularism, Indianness, we are all Indians, throw away these platitudes. Look the harsh truth in the face:
There is a LIMIT to how many migrants can be absorbed. Face this fact. No, talking about migrants etc from all parts of India, Kolis is meaningless. There were still resources left for these guys. Today, Mumbai just cannot take more people. Don't worry, Thakrey's ouburst is just the beginning of the slow IMPLOSION of Mumbai. The city is going to implode. Other metros only await their turn.
"What r u talking is abt many many years back.They all r considered as Mumbaikars today.Nobody is touching them."
You generalised and said all bhayyas, so it doesnt matter if a Bhayya came yday or 50 years back. You wanted all of them out of Mumbai.
Anyways, who decides which person is supposed to be called Mumbaikar or not???(big question) and wht is the criteria for the same??
The farmers here can fight because the politicians just do not care as to what they say!! If a farmer raises his voice in Bihar, he will be shot dead in front of the whole village and the police will turn deaf and blind!!
The farmers here do not run to other states because Mumbai is in the same state as they are. How do you know for sure that they have not come to Mumbai in search of a livelihood?? People from Bihar come to Mumbai because they want their children to be alive!! so that their children can atleast see a tomorrow!!
And wht do u mean by burdening other states? They don't come and beg here. They earn their livelihood!! they work here!!(are you scared of competition??) How many bhayya's have you seen begging at your doorsteps?? Their main aim is to earn some money so that they can feed their families back home. I agree that they do create a lot of nuisance and they do not have the sense to live, etc. But Sweetheart!! they are not refugees from Bangladesh (which is a bigger problem in Mumbai)!! They belong to the same country as you do?? why do you fail to understand this?
And why is a common Maharashtrian blaming the Politician?? The Maharashtrian Bhau's at all Government offices do not belong to any political party?? The same Bhau will ask for money from the Bhayya and make his stay in Mumbai legal .... and when the Bhau comes out of his office he will go and sit in a taxi/rickshaw which is driven by a Bhayya ... eat veggies bought from a bhajiwala Bhayya .... eat chappati which is made out of wheat ground in a bhayya's flour mill .... drink milk brought to your door step by a doodhwala bhayya?? Phir bhi bolenege "Hatt!! Saala Bhayya"??
Can you imagine your life without the bhayya's?? :-)
Eee item info apne paas bhi rehta hain :P .... google mere paas bhi hain aur wikipedia ke baare mein mujhe bhi pata hain. Jis page pe tune yeh sab gyaan padha hain naa ..... uska first line hain ....."The Koli community is found throughout India"
Mumbai is what it is because of the Parsis and the Gujrati's. All the businesses majorly came to Mumbai because of them and the British. People from all over India came to work in the industries setup by them!! Even today, major business that provide employment are run by them.
Main ye nahi keh raha ke locals kisike chande pe jee rahe hain. Mumbai mein harr koi mehnat karke apni roti kamaata hain, chahe woh Maharashtrian ho ya Non-Maharastrian. Lekin sabka yeh samajhna bhi zaroori hain ki aaj agar loog Mumbai mein apni zindagi basar kar paa rahe hain woh sirf isliye kyunki bahar ke logon ne yahan aakar bahut saare rozgaar ke madhyam khade kiye hain. Most of the businesses in Mumbai are setup by people from outside.
Back then, other cities in India were not developed all that much. Now a lot of cities are developing, actually the influx into Mumbai has decreased. You may not agree with me, but thats the truth!!
Get your figures correct babe, it was 105 and not 405 who died at Hutatma Chowk. And let me tell you, it was not just the Marathi Speaking people who died!!. You should also not forget that not just Maharashtrians but numerous Non-Maharashtrian people (including bhayya's ... many of them) have also put in their lives into making Mumbai what it is today! They did not feel that they are outsiders, they instead felt that it is their responsibilty to give Mumbai all they can. And they do not need permission from any political party to stay in Mumbai!!
Thats wht a Mumbaikar is all about and thats what Mumbai is all about!!
Alok,
Ma Na Se is a reaction to the problem. If not them there would be others. Their number and the support they get from ‘intellectuals’ (which maybe your concern) - is due to a lack of any study or willingness to identify and tackle this social issue by the government. So Ma Na Se will move forward, and since you treat this as a non-issue because it is ‘un-constitutional’, they will be forced to take up actions which seem like hooliganism to you.
Of course our current bureaucratic system will never allow for legal or constitutional debate on these issues, or if they do it will take forever to resolve, so what do you think the people who feel strongly about this do? People who think their culture is under attack and children’s future isn’t as good as they thought it would be in spite of all their best efforts?
See the pattern, cities like Bombay and now Bangalore with these ‘movements for locals’ or cities like Chennai which are insulating themselves by making Tamil mandatory for everything (BTW what are your thoughts on that), this problem is bound to spread with time.
BTW non-Maharashtrian is anyone who moves in ‘first generation’ to Maharashtra doesnt respect the local culture and starts behaving boorishly/with ghetto mentality the minute they reach certain numbers. Taking advantage of the decency and niceness of their neighbours. Could be hindi, tamil anyone.
It would be better if we identify the issue and help address it before it becomes too late. Maybe it is the growing population in some states, maybe it is the lack of resources - but we cant just wait wishing what is written in the constitution more than 50 years ago will solve all our real problems.
Yes the constitution says its one’s fundamental right to be able to live in any part of the country, but then, you’re being just as hypocritical as you could be, by counting only your rights, and forgetting to abide by your (fundamental) duties. Remember? Fundamental duties are states very next to fundamental rights..
No one is blaming or violating any part of our constitution when they protest against uncontrolled and meaningless diaspora of people across state boundaries in India.
Our polity is not just showing/giving you your rights, its also reminding you of your duties. Only when we perform our duties well do we have a stand to claim our rights.
Lostwanderer:
Ma Na Se is a reaction to the problem. If not them there would be others. Their number and the support they get from ‘intellectuals’ (which maybe your concern) - is due to a lack of any study or willingness to identify and tackle this social issue by the government. So Ma Na Se will move forward, and since you treat this as a non-issue because it is ‘un-constitutional’, they will be forced to take up actions which seem like hooliganism to you.
Of course our current bureaucratic system will never allow for legal or constitutional debate on these issues, or if they do it will take forever to resolve, so what do you think the people who feel strongly about this do? People who think their culture is under attack and children’s future isn’t as good as they thought it would be in spite of all their best efforts?
See the pattern, cities like Bombay and now Bangalore with these ‘movements for locals’ or cities like Chennai which are insulating themselves by making Tamil mandatory for everything (BTW what are your thoughts on that), this problem is bound to spread with time.
BTW non-Maharashtrian is anyone who moves in ‘first generation’ to Maharashtra doesnt respect the local culture and starts behaving boorishly/with ghetto mentality the minute they reach certain numbers. Taking advantage of the decency and niceness of their neighbours. Could be hindi, tamil anyone.
It would be better if we identify the issue and help address it before it becomes too late. Maybe it is the growing population in some states, maybe it is the lack of resources - but we cant just wait wishing what is written in the constitution more than 50 years ago will solve all our real problems.
Yes the constitution says its one’s fundamental right to be able to live in any part of the country, but then, you’re being just as hypocritical as you could be, by counting only your rights, and forgetting to abide by your (fundamental) duties. Remember? Fundamental duties are states very next to fundamental rights..
No one is blaming or violating any part of our constitution when they protest against uncontrolled and meaningless diaspora of people across state boundaries in India.
Our polity is not just showing/giving you your rights, its also reminding you of your duties. Only when we perform our duties well do we have a stand to claim our rights.
Lostwanderer:
The Milk you drink comes from Maharashtra (90 % of Mumbai's milk comes from other parts of Maharashtra)
The vegetables you eat come from Maharashtra
The fruits you eat come from Maharashtra
The electricty you take for granted comes from Maharashtra
The water you drink comes from Maharashtra!
Can you imagine your life without Maharashtrians and Maharashtra:)
Just imagine, if we cut off the supply of all the above to Mumbai, where will your bhaiyya be? What vegetables will he deliver, what milk will he deliver, what fruits will he sell?
Where will you be? Can you imagine your life without the ghatis?
Now answer these questions...
Before the bhaiyyas came to Mumbai:
were you eating atta?
Were you reading newspapers?
Were you drinking milk?
Were you eating vegetables?
Were you eating fruits?
So even before they came, you had everything you needed. What then is your point? That it was only after they came, that you started doing the above? That it was only after they came, that you started discovering what these things were? Newspapers, milk, vegetables were all unknown before bhaiyyas came to Mumbai:)?!!
IN other parts of Maharashtra...(where are no/very few bhaiyyas, who do you think:
delivers the milk?
delivers the atta/grinds the atta?
delivers the newspapers?
sells vegetables?
sells fruits?
drives rickshaws?
drives taxis?
With no bhayyas around, surely there is no one to do these things right? With no bhaiyyas around, there is no one to do these things for the Maharashtrian-surely he won't do it for himself right? Without the bhayya, who will do these things for him? Can you imagine life...
Therefore in all small towns/villages/talukas and everywhere else outside Mumbai, the picture of life is as follows (because of the complete absence of bhaiyyas/very few bhaiyyas)
they don't drink milk...
they don't eat flour
they don't eat vegetables
they don't eat fruits
they don't read newspapers
they don't eat fish
they don't grind flour
They only come to know what these wonderful things are when they come to Bombay where the bhaiyya shows them these things!
Thank you for giving me this picture of life of Maharashtrians outside Mumbai...
they don't drink milk...
they don't eat flour
they don't eat vegetables
they don't eat fruits
they don't read newspapers
they don't eat fish
they don't grind flour
I never knew this...I was always under the impression that even without bhaiyyas, they were still reading newspapers, still drinking milk, still eating vegetables, still eating flour, still eating fruits-I never knew they didn't have any of this!
lostwanderer and vikas both have a lot of important points. Just the tone is so angry that they are blind to the good points the other person is making.
As long as we keep talking abut our place, your place, and take credit and deny credit, we will just end up talking like the TV channels.
Fact is: right now, Mumbai has a huge problem. It has to get fixed. Raj is asking for it in words which sound very angry ot outsiders, and outsiders are responding in words which sound very angry to Maharashtrians.
But basically, it is all useless. No point.
It is not possible to stop outsiders coming in. Only way is to scare them. But if you try to scare them, not only the new migrants, and well-settled migrants (and not just northies, southies, bengalis, everyone) will get scared and try to find a way out of the city sooner or later.
That will lead to loss of business, general lack of faith in Mumbai as an investment destination.. etc etc..
What is the solution then?
Keeping new migrants away - even if its possible - is only a very short term solution. The only long term solution is to massively improve the conditions in Mumbai, and also simultaneously make sure that Maharshtrians are well-equippied (skillwise) to take the new service sector opportunities that open up.
Confused lost wanderer,
why are you shouting so much against MH? why don't you simply pack up and go to your OWN state man?
We will sort out our own deliveries of Atta, Milk, Bhaji etc.
after you people leave we may get un adulterated food. :)
Have some SELF - Respect. and lessen North Indian ARROGANCE.
Mumbai have lots of Bengali but no one is complaining against them. You know why? As Bengalis are not as Arrogant as Up and Bihar wale.
Don't go by the name Buddy!! what you see is not necessarily what you would presume to get. Because if I wer to go by ur screen name???? .... err I donno wat to say?
I am not shouting against MH .... you need to learn to read between the lines!! And I am going nowhere!! Mumbai belongs to me as much I belong to Mumbai!!
Read clearly .... I said Bangladeshi's not Bengali's. Bengali's from West Bengal are very much Indian and I have all due respect for them. And lets not speak about the arrogance of anyone, its beyond the scope of this discussion. If you really want to know abt Bengali's ..... u need to visit Kolkata!!
Anyone who discriminates on basis of community, states, language is ANTI-NATIONAL. People were first fighting basis 'religon' and now basis 'region'. Common man never gained anything out of this nonsense. Stop perpetrating negativity. Grow up, guys.
What have YOU done for the state so far? Anyone can talk any BS. Do something and then wish to be heard.
Agree the government should create opportunities in every state but none of us have the bloody right to tell ANY other citizen where to live in this country. Because if you think you do, you haven't understood what DEMOCRACY means or even the basic law of nature - Survival of the Fittest.
And, if for a minute also you think that Bombay is what it is only because of Maharashtrians or will remain this way if you only have maharashtrians here.. Look at the top business houses in the city, the film industry, Stock Exchange.. Aren't the people leading these from different states? The people who say they'll manage without a cosmo population are a sad minority and will probably die whining and complaining. Nothing like that will happen, guys.
As about other migrants taking jobs of natives - All those working for IT cos. and BPOs can think again. You all also took somebody else's job. Outsourcing is the way of life .. based on the model of better output at lesser cost. That's the way the world is moving, like it or not.
Do you think the govt. will allow senseless, mindless rioting or encourage crab mentality? Do you think the world markets will continue to invest in India/outsource to India if we are nation of rioters?
Do whatever good you can. Donate money to charity. Feed hungry people. Sponsor a child's education.
Hey vicky you are absolutely right. Mumbai is Dependant on MH but not on bhaiyyas. We can imagine fine mumbai without bhaiyas. So start now ----
We can stop this with Asahakar.
--Do not buy anything(Panipuri-bhelpudi-vadapav-milk-har..... from bhaiyas.
Mumbai is dependent on outsiders for being Mumbai. The rest of India is dependent on Mumbai financially. Both are true.
Your arguments are like, this is a case of Maharashtrian vs bhaiyya. Even Raj doesnt say that! Thackeray Sr too has never said anything like that.
Anybody who says all bhaiyyas out etc are just getting carried away. Not to mention that it is illegal and unpatriotic to say that.
Maharashtrians are only complaining about the problems created by the recent migrant population. Not a single MNS leader has come on TV and said that all bhaiyyas are a problem.
Don't be stupid - everyone knows outsiders had a major role in building Mumbai. But that does not mean there are no problems today because of migrants either.
Ma Na Se is a reaction to the problem. If not them there would be others. Their number and the support they get from ‘intellectuals’ (which maybe your concern) - is due to a lack of any study or willingness to identify and tackle this social issue by the government. So Ma Na Se will move forward, and since you treat this as a non-issue because it is ‘un-constitutional’, they will be forced to take up actions which seem like hooliganism to you.
Of course our current bureaucratic system will never allow for legal or constitutional debate on these issues, or if they do it will take forever to resolve, so what do you think the people who feel strongly about this do? People who think their culture is under attack and children’s future isn’t as good as they thought it would be in spite of all their best efforts?
See the pattern, cities like Bombay and now Bangalore with these ‘movements for locals’ or cities like Chennai which are insulating themselves by making Tamil mandatory for everything (BTW what are your thoughts on that), this problem is bound to spread with time.
BTW non-Maharashtrian is anyone who moves in ‘first generation’ to Maharashtra doesnt respect the local culture and starts behaving boorishly/with ghetto mentality the minute they reach certain numbers. Taking advantage of the decency and niceness of their neighbours. Could be hindi, tamil anyone.
It would be better if we identify the issue and help address it before it becomes too late. Maybe it is the growing population in some states, maybe it is the lack of resources - but we cant just wait wishing what is written in the constitution more than 50 years ago will solve all our real problems.
Yes the constitution says its one’s fundamental right to be able to live in any part of the country, but then, you’re being just as hypocritical as you could be, by counting only your rights, and forgetting to abide by your (fundamental) duties. Remember? Fundamental duties are states very next to fundamental rights..
No one is blaming or violating any part of our constitution when they protest against uncontrolled and meaningless diaspora of people across state boundaries in India.
Our polity is not just showing/giving you your rights, its also reminding you of your duties. Only when we perform our duties well do we have a stand to claim our rights.
My dear lostwanderer, your mind itself is lost. Maharashtra did not develop because of any outsiders, it devoloped because it was a good place to invest in. Understand this basic fact.you keep talking about outsiders. As if outsiders did some charity or ehsaan by investing here. Get it into your head once and for all-outsiders CHOSE to invest in Maharashtra becuase it was more PROFITABLE-the outsider "be grateful to us" arguement is meaningless. THye invested here for their own benefit-get it into your head.
Why did they invest here and not in THEIR OWN states?? Can you answer this question? You people keep talking about outsiders..as if outsiders were doing some charity or sacrfice by coming/investing here. Maharashtra was a good state to invest in. Period. Saying "if they hadn't come" is meaningless. As long as Maharashtra was a good place to invest in-they would have come. As long Maharashtra offered them opportunities-they would have come. These guys did not leave palaces behind and condescend to come. They had the choice to invest in their own states as well as the rest of the country. They chose to invest here-stop trying to make it seem as they did some great favour by coming here. They DID NOT.
Hence, wealth was not created by any outsiders. Maharashtra is wealthy today becuase it offered a good environment to investors who then invested because it was a great place to invest in. Maharashtra got all these investments because it was a good place to invest-not because of the charity of outsiders, not because they were here to do us some favours, not because of any other reason. Remeber: outsiders found it more profitable to be investing here then any other place.
These outsiders had the chance of investing in Bihar/UP. They chose not to exercise it. Got it?
Hence, "if outsiders hadn't come"...as long as MH was a good place to invest in, they would have come. Instead of shooting off your mouth about "outsiders" please introspect about why these outsiders:
were incapable of going to other states
were incapable of creating another MUmbai in their own states
had to come to Maharashtra in the first place
As far as outsiders are concerned, keep in mind the following:
Kolkata Chennai, Delhi, Bangalore, Hyderabad are all cities developed by outsiders. Each of these cities is what it is today because of outsiders. Especially Chennai. If you have the courage, please go there and say these things there.
Contrary to your usual "Mumbai is all there is to MH" impression, the facts are as follows: (But you seem to dislike statistics/facts and prefer stale, trite generalizations:
a.) There are SEVEN districts in MH which are RICHER PER CAPITA than Mumbai. (Hence, Mumbai is not the richest district in MH..Surpise, Surprise!)
b.) Maharashtra's economy=600,000 crores
Mumbai's economy= 200,000 crores
Therefore MH=MUM=400,000 crores
This sum is 1.5 times bigger than the entire economy of GUJARAT.
Hence, Maharashtra's economy MINUS MUMBAI is 1.5 times bigger than Gujarat.
When you say devolopment has taken place in this state
because of Mumbai, you are only exposing your own ignorance and bigotedness. The characteristic of the non-Maharashtrian is a deep superiority complex, deep arrogance and deep ignorance. You seem to display all the above.
Please do some research on the economy of Maharashtra and what percentage of it is actually from Mumbai. Mumbai is not the reason for Maharashtra's progress.
Please tell me, how has development taken place outside Maharashtra because of Mumbai? HOW? IN what way is the rest of Maharashtra devoloped because of Mumbai...if that is the criteria, this is applicable to ALL STATES in India.
BTW, before talking about the Maharashtrians in other countries, keep in mind the following:
a.) They are not a votebank
b.) Their numbers are not increasing out of all proportion
c.) Their entry is restricted severely; these countries can pick and choose which Maharashtrians they want, which they don't.
d.) They are not causing ANY demographic change or reducing the local people to a minority
e.) THey can be deported from these countries at any time
f.) They had to apply for such a thing as a "visa" and a whole host of other things before they went.
g.) The country can TOMORROW tell all Maharashtrians :SORRY, No more Maharashtrians from this minute onwards. All entry debarred.
h.) They are not building slums.
Keeping the above in mind, is the situation comparable? Or do you just unthinkingly regurgitate the same old stale old rubbish which has been fed to you by TOI/Headlines Today/Times Now? Read something other than the TOI-that is the main problem with guys like you. You are ignorant and arrogant as well, and devoid of logic or rationality to boot.
BTW, the Maharashtrians in other countries are not being used as cheap labour. You may check this out if you wish by asking Maharashtrians what their relatives in USA are doing.
If you cannot understand that Mumbai's resources are limited, that infrastructure is LIMITED, that Maharashtra's resources are LIMITED, that infrastructure beyond a point cannot be created, that there is a LIMIT to how many migrants any city/state/place can absord, that no place in the WORLD tolerates enmasse migration into it, (that is why there are visas/work permits), that no place in the world can absorb or withstand uninhibited migration from other places without a backlash, that the state/city cannot take people beyond a point-
THEN YOU ARE BEING BRAINLESS. NO amount of talking about the constitution, nationalism, liberalism, secularism, Indianness, we are all Indians, throw away these platitudes. Look the harsh truth in the face:
There is a LIMIT to how many migrants can be absorbed. Face this fact. No, talking about migrants etc from all parts of India, Kolis is meaningless. There were still resources left for these guys. Today, Mumbai just cannot take more people. Don't worry, Thakrey's ouburst is just the beginning of the slow IMPLOSION of Mumbai. The city is going to implode. Other metros only await their turn.
BTW, about the Maharashtrian government servants giving taxi licenses etc. Do you have any idea just how taxi permits are handed out? Or are you just talking? Find out how taxi permits are handed out and then talk. Taxi permits are not handed out by the RTO, think a little before talking. RTO does not hand Taxi permits. Taxi permits are handed out by the taxi union-run by able Mr. Quadros. Please get your facts right before typing.
As far as Ration Cards/Election Cards...the Election Commission hands out voters ID cards. Not the state government. Get your facts right before jabbering away. Does the EC employ Maharashtrians-you should know this...
As far as Ration Cards...indeed the Marathi manus handed them out. He handed them out because all Indians are equal right? Becuase he has no right to deny them to a fellow Indian right? Because he isn't as bad as he is made out to be is he?
How funny that when a Maharashtrian denies something it is called chauvanism, when he does not deny it-he is accused of corruption!! BTW, do you know how and who grants Ration Cards? Your use of the term Ration Card Office suggests a certain ignorance.
BTW, what the Marathi manus has GIVEN with one hand, he can TAKE BACK with the other-right? TOmorrow, if the Government of Maharashtra TAKES BACK all the ration cards and deletes all the Bihari/UP names in the voters list, ALL THE NAMES and ALL THE RATION CARDS (Since they have given with one had ,they can take back with another, right?) will you promise not to object?
Will you promise not to complain of chauvanism? Will you promise to congratulate the BMC on a job well done?
No, you will then shouting from the rooftop about parochialism, chauvanism, Nazism etc etc.
BTW, why did the taxi union PROTEST when the GOM wanted to modernize the taxi fleet? When they wanted to replace these 55,000 antiquated taxis with 10,000 modern ones? Who do you think were the drivers of these modern taxis? Hint: it was not the UPites.
So the community you accuse of refusing to drive taxis was more than willing to drive the cool cabs, and drive the modern fleet of taxis.
Yet, the Taxi Union OPPOSED these modern taxis and their Maharashtrian drivers. Today Mumbai is denied a taxi fleet which is modern because of this reason.
Now tell mw, these same guys say Maharashtrians aren't willing to drive taxis-so just who was driving the taxis that they opposed so vociferously? OTOH, you say that Maharashtrians want only government jobs and refuse to do anything else.
On the other, Maharashtrians drive rickshaws in every nook and corner of Maharashtra, deliver milk, deliver newspapers and deliver much much more in every town and city of Maharashtra (including milk and newspapers). IN the face of all this, what is the logic in saying that a Maharashtrian wants only a goverment job?
P.S. Do you have any idea of how many people ACTUALLY WORK in the Government of Maharashtra?
It is one of the smallest employers among all state governments in India. Other state governments employ far more people per person than Maharashtra.
Lostwandererswamy and Chetanswamy:
If you cannot understand that Mumbai's resources are limited, that infrastructure is LIMITED, that Maharashtra's resources are LIMITED, that infrastructure beyond a point cannot be created, that there is a LIMIT to how many migrants any city/state/place can absord, that no place in the WORLD tolerates enmasse migration into it, (that is why there are visas/work permits), that no place in the world can absorb or withstand uninhibited migration from other places without a backlash, that the state/city cannot take people beyond a point-
THEN YOU ARE BEING BRAINLESS. NO amount of talking about the constitution, nationalism, liberalism, secularism, Indianness, we are all Indians, throw away these platitudes. Look the harsh truth in the face:
There is a LIMIT to how many migrants can be absorbed. Face this fact. No, talking about migrants etc from all parts of India, Kolis is meaningless. There were still resources left for these guys. Today, Mumbai just cannot take more people. Don't worry, Thakrey's ouburst is just the beginning of the slow IMPLOSION of Mumbai. The city is going to implode. Other metros only await their turn.
The Milk you drink comes from Maharashtra (90 % of Mumbai's milk comes from other parts of Maharashtra)
The vegetables you eat come from Maharashtra
The fruits you eat come from Maharashtra
The electricty you take for granted comes from Maharashtra
The water you drink comes from Maharashtra!
Can you imagine your life without Maharashtrians and Maharashtra:)
Just imagine, if we cut off the supply of all the above to Mumbai, where will your bhaiyya be? What vegetables will he deliver, what milk will he deliver, what fruits will he sell?
Where will you be? Can you imagine your life without the ghatis?
Now answer these questions...
Before the bhaiyyas came to Mumbai:
were you eating atta?
Were you reading newspapers?
Were you drinking milk?
Were you eating vegetables?
Were you eating fruits?
So even before they came, you had everything you needed. What then is your point? That it was only after they came, that you started doing the above? That it was only after they came, that you started discovering what these things were? Newspapers, milk, vegetables were all unknown before bhaiyyas came to Mumbai:)?!!
IN other parts of Maharashtra...(where are no/very few bhaiyyas, who do you think:
delivers the milk?
delivers the atta/grinds the atta?
delivers the newspapers?
sells vegetables?
sells fruits?
drives rickshaws?
drives taxis?
With no bhayyas around, surely there is no one to do these things right? With no bhaiyyas around, there is no one to do these things for the Maharashtrian-surely he won't do it for himself right? Without the bhayya, who will do these things for him? Can you imagine life...
Therefore in all small towns/villages/talukas and everywhere else outside Mumbai, the picture of life is as follows (because of the complete absence of bhaiyyas/very few bhaiyyas)
they don't drink milk...
they don't eat flour
they don't eat vegetables
they don't eat fruits
they don't read newspapers
they don't eat fish
they don't grind flour
They only come to know what these wonderful things are when they come to Bombay where the bhaiyya shows them these things!
Thank you for giving me this picture of life of Maharashtrians outside Mumbai...
they don't drink milk...
they don't eat flour
they don't eat vegetables
they don't eat fruits
they don't read newspapers
they don't eat fish
they don't grind flour
I never knew this...I was always under the impression that even without bhaiyyas, they were still reading newspapers, still drinking milk, still eating vegetables, still eating flour, still eating fruits-I never knew they didn't have any of this!
Ashuotosh:
If you think the reason jobs in other states are taken 100 % by locals because of skills of the local people or because they are more educated or more literate or more hard working, then I pity you. I have lived in many other states and can honestly say: the average man in other states is as, if not more, lazy than the Maharashtrian in MH. That is why most of these state are as backward, more backward and in many case, far more backward than Maharashtra is. If they were genuinely more capable and competent, the state would be better run and managed. They are not. They are as bad as in their own state and they will continue to be as we are in our ours. Maybe worse than what we are.
Just check out the literacy stats for MH and the neigbouring states. Then visit the states and see for yourself: 100 % of the jobs are occupied by locals. So can it be because of more education? Actually MH has more education, higher literacy, more colleges, more higher education, more training than almost any other state in India (barring Kerala.)
Yet, states with much lower levels of education, literacy, professional training and skills, ensure that 100 % of the jobs are occupied by locals. Strangely, Maharashtra's levels of education obviate having only locals. The level of education is too low to have only locals. (So they say)
But states with much LOWER levels of education can easily have locals in every walk of life. Literally-EVERY. Just take a vist to any of our neighbouring states and see for yourself-everything (barring busines maybe) is totally full of locals. With less education, lower literacy, lower skills, lower work, less work, shorter work hours, less proffessioanl skills.
Ever wondered why then his job is not being taken away? After all, if all these outsiders are what they claim they are, couldn't and shouldn't they have gone all over India and built what they build here? Shouldn't they have gone all over India? Why is it our brihaspathis only want to build stock exchanges, film industries and other things in Mumbai and nowehere else? How is it the outsiders don't go to every nook and cranny of the country and take their jobs away too-or is it because they too are extrordinarily hard working-and if that is the case-why do these regions not reflect it?
Mumbai is dependent on outsiders for being Mumbai. The rest of India is dependent on Mumbai financially. Both are true.
Asthipanjarswamy:
Mumbai is as depedent on the milk, water, electricty, fruits, vegetables, food and rice which come from Maharashtra. Cut off that, and we will see how long your "outsider-dependent" Mumbai survives. Please acknoweledge that Mumbai is as dependent on Maharashtra as Mumbai is depedent on the so-called outsiders.
Furthermore, read the history of Mumbai. The textile mill industry made Mumbai what it is, much much more than the film industry or the stock exchange. In those textile mills, 80-90 %+ of the workers were Maharashtrian.
If these Maharashtrian workers had not put in more than a century of service in the textile mills, Mumbai would not have become the world's largest textile industry. It was textiles which powered Mumbai to being what it was. These textile mills were powered by Maharashtrian workers, the same people you accuse of not working.
You eulogize UPites/Biharis for delivering milk, delivering newspaper, driving taxis and doing other such menail jobs. This is not enterpreneurship. But for all, even doing a job is good enough and something to celebrate. You eulogize him for doing a job and omit the fact that this is not entreprenurship.
But you are all silent on the Marathi mill worker, who worked for over a 100 years to build Mumbai's textile mills. Why? The Maharashtrian mill worker has done much more work and over a much longer period of time, than the bhaiyya taxi driver et al. He worked very very hard too. It was his hard work that had the textile mills running. If not for the Maharashtrian mill worker, there would have been no mills. If there had been no mills, there would have been no Mumbai. Period.
China's industry has been built by the workers. This we accept. But why ignore the Marathi mill worker? There we carefully aviod mentioning that it was the Marathi will worker who did the work-and only mention the Parsi/Gujarati who set up the mills. Why this dichotomy? The Marathi mill worker has done much more than the UP taxi driver, and has done for 100 years.
Furthermore, please see the following:
In Kolkata.....businessess built by Marwaris (outsiders)
In Bangalore...businessess built by Tamils/Telugus/Malalayalis (built by outsiders)
In Hyderabad...built by Muslims
In Chennai...built by Telugus
In Delhi....built by Punjabis
Therefore, in every city, businessess were essentially built by outsiders. So how come then, when Tamils say "Chennai MUST be a Tamil city" Bengalis say "Kolkata MUST remain a Bengali city" Kannadigas say "Bangalore SHOULD return to being a Kannadiga city", no one has any problems with it?
In every major city in India, business was built by outsiders. Yet, these outsiders there do not throw their weight around, do not pretend to be superior, do not act in an arrogant manner (even though they often earn much more than the locals) and certainly do not impose their language on local people. Above all, the non-locals do not keep asserting that the city is their private posession nor do they get 50 % quotas in colleges!
All this outsiders etc business-please go to the above mentioned cities and tell those people that: "Since business was built by outsiders, therefore, your city belongs to the rest of India first and foremost. Non-locals have the first right to your resources, you have the second right. Your city belongs to everyone-but not to you-everone means everyone in India BUT NOT you. You have the second right." Please go to those cities and tell them these platitudes and see what is the reaction. You might find it a bit difficult.
Tamils in Chennai have a full right to ensure Chennai remains a Tamil city and they openly say it, no one objects
Bengalis in Kolkata openly say Kolkata will remain Bengali, no one objects or complains chauvanism, parochialsm,
Telugus in Hyderabad, Kannadigas in Bangalore, ditto as above.
So why is it only Maharashtrians who do not have the right to ensure that their cities retain their culture? Why is it only the Maharahstrian whose cities belong first and foremost to the outsider-why is it only the Maharashtrian, who whether he likes it or not, will see his cities becoming cosmopolitian? Why is it people protest loudly only when the Maharashtrian says that we want Maharashtrian cities to remain Maharashtrian? It appears that what the Maharashtrian wants or desires or wants his city to be is irrevalant: whehter he wants the city to be a Maharashtrian or not, is is irrelevant. What matters is clear: what the non-Maharashtrian. What the non-Maharashtrian wants is that Maharashtra's cities should become ever more cosmopolitain. Ergo, that is the only thing that matter.
Furthermore, no Maharashtrian can even say that he wants his cities to remain Maharashtrian. No that is anti-India, anti-national, unpatriotic, anti-Bharitya. After all Maharashtra's cities belong to the whole of India.
But Tamils, Bengalis, Telugus, Malayalis etc can openly say that we want our cities to remain local cities and no even objects slightly or reminds that the cities of TN, AP, KL, KA, WB belong to the rest of India. Please tell them that when they force you to learn their language, learn to speak their language, learn to understand their language, force you to adjust to them. You will quickly see just how much their cities belong to the rest
Why the hypocrisy?
The MNS is going to grow. Mark my words. These problems of Mumbai and MH are not going to reduce, still less disappear. The pressure cooker will keep getting warmer and warmer. From time to the time, the pressure cooker will go off. But things will get worse. The situation will get worse, not better. As more and more Maharashtrians wake up the changing demography of this state, you are setting the stage for more violence, not less, more hooliganism, not less.
Assam too took a long time to simmer, years and years. After years and years, it exploded into a very peaceful agitation.
Liberals, nationalists: understand one thing. No place in the world tolerates enmasse migration into it. Any Maharashtrian who talks about nationalism and ignores this, does so at his own peril. Understand that this is a demographic time bomb ticking away. No place can see enmasse migration into it (and it is happening) without a backlash happening. There is no point in foppishly asking "what have you done for the nation etc".
Rest assured, if current trends contine, and the English Media/Politicians/Courts keep sleeping/deliberately ignoring these trends, the result will not be a Shiv Sena, not an MNS nor an NCP. It will be something else.
It will happen-and given the insufferable arrogance and contemptousness of the non-Maharashtrian, his utter inability to talk and behave like a normal person and his insistence that the Maharashtrian must keep being pathetically grateful to him (for god knows what reason)and his behaving as if he was god himself and that he condesecened to leave his palace/mansion in his own state and live in a slum and selflessly build Mumbai for us ungrateful Maharashtrians (deliberately turning back on building another Mumbai in his own state), such selflessness that they showed in building a film industry, stock exchange and much more-and he insists on only doing these great feats of daring do in Mumbai and NOWHERE ELSE, then the question may get worse.
Maharashtrians-please check out the following article from the DNA newspaper:
"Marathi manus" gets loved again. (DNA)
What is stopping them from building another Mumbai in their own states as well as in other parts of the country? What is stopping them from going everwhere and building that part of the country up as well?!
time and time again, THE GREAT CHE GUEVARA FAMOUS QUOTE becomes relevant. IF U TREMBLE WITH INDIGNATION AT EVERY INJUSTICE U R A COMRADE OF MINE.
Maharashtrians are proesting fot their rights since independence in a non-violent manner , yet discrimination by central govt continues , what is the way ahead . if Maharashtrians do not protest , we will face the same situation as ABORIGINES IN AUSTRALIA ARE FACING TODAY , marginalised in their own land.
GET A LIFE!! U GOT SHORT TERM MEMORY LOSS ........ KEEP REPEATING THINGS OVER AND OVER AGAIN!!
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Guys, if you don't have time to REREAD Vikas' PROLIX - The gist is NO ONE IS INDISPENSIBLE.
At an individual level, yes.. If a person dies/leaves his family and goes away - the family may be hard hit for a while. The pain fades with time and Life Goes On.
However, it is not the same when 13 K workers leave a city. The factories suffer as also the people who migrate. The people left behind suffer too because they have to work extra hours to meet the deficit in manpower. Are there 13 K workers idling in Bombay ready to move to Nasik to take on those jobs?
Lostwandererswamy:
Respond logically and cooly to the posts made above. People in general in this world do not get things unless they are repeated, preferably 10 times. It takes many repetitions for people these days to understand. In any case, if you cannot respond logically and cooly and instead respond to name-calling, you are only descending to the same level as the people you so codemn.
Far from short term memory loss swamy. I am reminding those with "long-term memory loss" about the contribution that the Marathi-speaking people have made. It is this long-term memory loss which makes them so illogical about Mumbai and makes incapable of appreciating and realising that the Marathi speaking people have contributed richly to MUmbai (even if the English speaking types like you refuse to acknowledge it/trivialise it). It is this long-term memory loss which makes people ignorant and contemptous of Maharashtrians; let them remember that in 60 years time, another Mumbai could have emerged in Gujarat, Rajasthan, Punjab, Tamil Nadu etc. It has not and never will.
It is this long-term memory loss which makes too many non-Maharashtrians arrogant and ignorant in the extreme; illogical and incapable of saying anything beyond "non-Marathis build Mumbai, outsiders built Mumbai, if outsiders hadn't come" and variations on the above. Please ponder the reverse:
If the OUTSIDER had NOT come to Mumbai, what would have happened to the outsider? Just flip the coin, what would have happened to the outsider if he had not come to Mumbai? What would have the outsider been if he had remained in his own state?
I am suffering from short-term memory loss because people like you (and the English/Hindi media) are suffering from long-term memory loss! Please, I do not whether you are a Maharashtrian or not-but whoever you are, rid yourself of this long term memory loss. That way, the Maharashtrians will no longer have to suffer from short-term memory loss.
vikas,
i dont get it - why the swamy? is it supposed to be sarcastic/ funny/ friendly? I have heard swamy being used in all ways, hence the question.
vikas and lostwanderer, why dont u two move from "who takes credit" for mumbai to "what are the problems of mumbai"
vikas, please explain one thing: Assuming that all your arguments about mumbai / maharashtra / outsiders etc are right, what are the solutions you suggest?
I think here the problem is that Maharashtrians think that the "outsiders" have come into Mumbai. Mumbai is providing them with bread and butter, but at the same time they are stealing jobs from the locals. Also they think that the "outsiders" are arrogant and do not treat them with respect. The "outsiders" do not love Mumbai as much as they do. And that the "outsiders" have more love towards their own states.
The Non-Maharashtrians or "outsiders" think that they are here to earn their lovelihood. They love this city too much because of what it has given them. They think that the Maharashtrians are arrogant and keep making them realise that they are "outsiders". They are always made to feel that their contribution towards Mumbai is nothing and that it is just because of Mumbai that the "outsiders" are what they are?
I think, as far as contribution towards Mumbai is concerned, both the groups have given their best to Mumbai. Both the groups love Mumbai equally. Yes, at the same time there is also love towards their own states which I think is obvious. I think, both are equally arrogant!! reason being the invisible wall that the politicians have built between the two groups.
My issue is that after spending all my life in Mumbai, if today someone says that I am a burden to the city, then there is a problem. I am not from UP or Bihar and I agree that today the issue is about people from these states. But then who knows, maybe the state from where I come from could be targeted next. People from UP and Bihar have been coming to Mumbai since my Dad came to Mumbai. If they are collectively asked to go back? then maybe even I may be asked to go back? (Which you and others on this site already have?)
Even if we want me to think reverse as you said .... I think just like Mumbai can do without "Outsiders" .... even "Outsiders" can do without Mumbai. If it was not Mumbai, it would have been some other city/state, who knows maybe their own?
We should not forget that Mumbai is because of its people ... that is you, me and everyone here. Mumbai cannot be compared to any other city in India because of the same reason. It belongs to everyone here and not just one group of people.
I sincerely apolozise if I hurt you vikas, by calling you names, but then u see if u repeat things over and over again ..... all you are doing is annoying people around. After that it doesnt matter what you are trying to say.
We should not forget that Mumbai is because of its people ... that is you, me and everyone here. Mumbai cannot be compared to any other city in India because of the same reason. It belongs to everyone here and not just one group of people...
On what grounds? Every city in India has been built by locals and non-locals. How is it possible that only Mumbai belongs to everyone-what is so special about it? Every big city in India has had a huge contribution from outsiders. One can even say that outsiders have built other cities as well.
We should not forget that Mumbai is because of its people ... that is you, me and everyone here....so what are other major cities in India because of? Rather, Chennai, Hyderabad, Bangalore are because of what? Your point does not make any sense to me. What is Delhi, Bangalore, Madras, Calcutta because of-if not their people? Including locals and non-locals?
HOw does Mumbai belong to everyone here while all other cities belong to one community?
How does Mumbai become MUmbai because of its people but all other cities are what they are because of....?? Not their people-some other cities people?
Why is Mumbai national property when every other big city seems to belong to one group of people?
How is it Mumbai is what it is because of all its people but other cities are what they are "only" because of locals? Did no outsider contribute to those cities?
Vikas, i won't try to explain you how wrong you are about this mumbai issue. You are not of the kinds who can understand or analyze. With all due respect to your concern which iam totally in agreement with .. you are just a barking dog. You are disgrace to us, its because of people like you others potray a f$^%&$^ image about maharashtrians. I know you will be giving another 5 page comment on this.
Lostwonderer, this is not how maharastrians are basically, if they were like this mumbai wouldn't have been mumbai .. i am sure you will understand.
Finally kiran too got pissed off!
vikas, no city becomes as big as mumbai because of its locals. The financial capital of India is because of all Indians, not because of a state.
I understand your feelings, though. It is frustrating when you have a state capital, and it is the property of the country instead of the state. But thats the cost when you have a metro.
Look at all your other examples. Bengaluru, Chennai, Kolkata... they are state capitals which are too local. So they will never be a metro like Mumbai. They prefer that, mostly.
Metro cities by definition have only one culture - the culture of work, prosperity and money.
It is for Maharashtrians to choose what they want na - a high class, cultural capital of Maharshtra, or a financial capital of India. Both have their good effects and bad. Mostly, I believe Maharashtrians would prefer to have a financial capital with its opportunities and jobs.
I understand your feelings, though. Bangaloreans are feeling the same way - it was supposed to be the city that would kill Mumbai, but now it has decided to be a regional capital instead of a metro. IT companies are not going there anymore, they are trying to take the city back for Kannadigas, there is resistance from locals who feel marginalised.... Mumbai can also go become a Kolkata or Chennai.
I dont think even Raj Thackeray wants that :D
Kiranswamy:
The f$^%&$^ image about maharashtrians is because of many reasons, not just because of my hehaviour or the behaviour of people like me. In fact, the behaviour of people of like me is because of the media's relentless f****ed up coverage of the Maharashtrians; my anger and the anger of people like me is caused by the biased and hypocritical reporting on all issues concerning Maharashtrians. You are confusing cause and effect. The cause is the biased, bigoted, hate-filed reporting-the effect is the anger that Maharashtrians feel. This is the effect of this reporting-not the cause of the f****ed up image of Maharashtrians.
Thef$^%&$^ is also because of the media's relentless emphasis on Maharashtrians only when they try to assert their rights in some way. There are far worse things in every part of the country happening, far more discriminatory things against non-locals but you guys and the English media carefully choose to ignore it and give it as little attention as possible. If they were to cover the anti-outsider antics in other states, Maharashtrians would quickly lose their gullibility and in fact start wondering why there aren't 100 MNSes. We would slowly lose our innocence and realise that we are tolerating way too much and that in fact, SS/MNS should be 1000 times worse.
If the English media was more balanced in its coverage, paid more emphasis when Maharashtrians did good things and tried to actually understand what Maharashtrians complain about and what their sentiments really are, then the so-called fu****ed image of Maharashtrians would not have emerged. When a culture becomes comfortable with being ridiculed, caricatured and parodied, it no longer even sees the need to be treated with dignity. It no longer even feels that they have a right to be respected. In such circumstances, someone who stands and shouts that Maharashtrians should be respected, does seem ridiculous.
If Maharashtrians had been less comfortable with being caricatured, if the default mode of writing about Maharashtrians was not to caricature and make fun of them, then things would have been different. In these circumstances, it becomes apparent that a person who points out this seems ridiculous. First you have to feel that respect is due-then only can you can empathsize with this.
Instead of abusing me, please at least respond to those points. BTW, I am a barking dog, no doubt. What exactly then is Vir Sanghvi-a man who takes umbrage at being spoken to Marathi and writes a 1000 word column in outrage in HT 6-7 years back? What exactly do you call these non-Maharashtrian journalists who dish out muck about our state with frightening poise; when they don't even know their Kohlapurs from their Solapurs-let alone their Konkanasthas from their Deshasthas? What do you call the army of English channel journalists who only cover Maharashtrians when they do MNS style things? Can you blame Maharashtrians for their f****ed image if the English media has declared an unofficial apartheid on their culture and their language, can you blame the Maharashtrians for nursing a greviance? Can you blame Maharashtrians for being resentful and angry?
(There should be less self-flaggelation among Maharashtrians. We should be more appreciate of ourselves and more realistic about other states people; mentally we seem to think they are ten foot tigers. We need to understand that they are as bad or as good as we are, and not do so much self-criticism. Let us try to be realistic in how we assess other commmunities and other states people-this mode of hero-worship will not work.
You are absolutely right on the following... this is not how maharastrians are basically.
I agree with you that Maharashtrians are not like this basically. If we were, we would, like the South Indians, have protested against Hindi and ensured the supremancy of our own language in our own state. When south India was rocked with anti-Hindi protests in the 1960s, Maharashtrians could have joined in too. Nothing was stopping them; they too could have seen the threat that Hindi posed to their language and they too could have protected their language. If Maharashtrians had like south Indians, rioted against Hindi, today Marathi would have been in a far better position than it is today. But Maharashtrians are basically not like this.
If we were not like this basically, we would-like all other states-have specified reservation/preference for locals in all educational institutions. If we were not like this basically, we would have cherrypicked only those industries/sectors which could have given employment to locals and carefully chosen only those companies which could have given at least 80 % of jobs to locals. Industries which survive only on an entirely non-Marathi workforce should have been asked to shut down, train locals within some time and localize, or told not to invest in MH at all and go to some other states. Investment is for the local workforce; those companies that cannot provide employment to locals, for whatever reason, should not be allowed to invest. This is what all states and indeed all countries do. Investment is never for its own sake-it is there to provide local employment. Our netas simply run after investment just to keep up with the Joneses. Investment is to benefit the locals, that investment which does benefit them, is of no use and it makes no difference whether it goes to other states.
If Maharashtrians were not like this basically, there would never have been this plethora of 50 % Linguistic minority quota colleges in Mumbai. We would have realised the absurdity of allowing colleges to have 50 % quota for non-Marathis in our state and at the same time denying our own people reservation in their own state on the specious grounds of merit. We are the only state where locals are not given reservation/preference in educational instituions, especially professional colleges while non-locals are given. The only state in India where the state board forces everyone to study 3 languages in 10th std; this even when ICSE/CBSE do not.
If Maharashtrians were not like this basically, they would have expected non-Maharashtrians to learn Marathi in a reasonable period of time (like every other community in India)and not adjusted to them by speaking in varan bhat Hindi. It pains me to see Maharashtrians struggling to speak their varan bhat Hindi in all public places and on TV and elsewhere, just to adjust and accomadate people. If Maharashtrians had insisted on speaking Marathi like all other communities do in their states, Marathi would remained supreme. But for Maharashtrians, we never thought that other people in our state must learn our language within a certain amount of time. We are devoid of any such feeling; or if that feeling existed-it has long since been annihiliated.
(How to revive this feeling? How to bring it back to life?)
If the Maharashtrian was basically not like this, he would have seen the absurdity of bringing non-locals for jobs which require no professional training. He would have seen the absurdity of saying we "need" security gurards from Bengal/Orissa/Bihar when there are n number of Maharashtrian security guards in every nook and cranny of Maharashtra. Professional training for Marathis is
something everyone keeps talking about and is ok-but what about jobs which require no professional training? Or skills?
If Maharastrians were not basically like this, they would have seen how parochial and even xeonophobic other states in India are and not been so embarrassed about the SS. They would have realised the SS is not 0.001 % of what other regional parties in India. They would be less embarrassed when other states ask them about SS and pointed out how terrible their own parties are and how they treat non-locals in their state. Maybe, they would have found out these details or gone to those states instead of being so gullible and swallowing all this cosompolitain bull shit. They would have observed how bigoted other communities are in their own states and pointed it out and not tamely gone on the defensive when people high-handedly talk about the SS/MNS.
If Maharashtrians were not basically like this, they would not have voted year after year after year after year
for a bunch of politicians who have sold out their interests long ago and are never concerned about this state, this people, this language and this culture. A genuine regional party would have emerged.
If Maharashtrians were not like this, they would be less bothered about being politically correct, cutting a good figure in front of the English/Hindi TV channels, they would be less concerned about how the rest of India (defined as national media) sees them and tried to appreciate the gravity of the situation they are in. If Maharashtrians were not like this basically, they would have understood that rather than trying to get the approval of some English language journalists and TV anchors by saying platitidues, they would have the courage to speak the truth, howsoever harsh the truth may be, even if they appeared unfashionable in front of the chatterati and deemed "anti-national."
If Maharashtrians were not basically like this, there would have been no need for an MNS/SS. The reason such parties emerged is because the Maharashtrian in MH was taken for a ride and take advantage of in various ways (including not advertising for jobs in local newspapers deliberately). These parties did not emerge for no reason at all; they emerged because of genuine greviances and resentment. Not because the Maharashtrian had nothing better to do. These parties did not emerge from thin air; they emerged because Maharashtrians had genuine, real concerns. They will remain as long the the Maharashtrian is, as you rightly point out, "basically like this." As long as the average Maharashtrian remains what he is, then the MNS/SS will have to be there.
I really do not think what I have said is in anyway wrong; Mumbai is a cosmopolitain city and shall remain so.
The issues of Maharashtrians getting the same rights as other people in other states get is a crucial one. There is no reason why it should not be raised repeatedly, constantly and tirelessly.
Before abusing and calling me a barking dog, please counter my questions somewhat logically. If you cannot do this, so be it. As far as disgrace to Maharashtrians are concerned, we need less "politically correct" varan bhat Hindi speaking Maharashtrians, less sycophantic "I need the approval of the English press" Maharshtrians, less "boot-licker" Maharashtrians who confuse standing up for their culture with anti-national and are incapable of realising that you cannot preserve your culture with 25 % of the population, less Maharashtrians who feel standing up for their own culture and Marathi related issues is a crime and confuse anything to do with Marathi as being parochial.
These my friend, these are the real disgraces to the Marathi speaking people. Sad to see you that you are silent on these Maharashtrians. Sad to see that you feel anyone who stands up for Marathi related rights in MH is a disgrace-even if he points out examples to back up his case. On the other hand, any babbler who trashes your language and your culture is no disgrace. Anyone who says that you have contributed nothing to this city is not a disgrace. Anyone who makes out that outsiders came down from their high heavens and palaces and Mansions, and out of the sheer milk of human kindness, built your city for you. Out of sheer selflessness they built your city.
Indeed, the Maharashtrians are not basically like this. Would that this could be changed. That they would become more basically like this.
P.S. Please read the last two issues of outlook magazine. Please read about the delimitation report and what impact it is going to have on the Maharashtra elections. Please read up about the impact the delimitation is going to have and what its implications are. Project it into the future 30 years from now, and you will become an instant MNS supporter. Find out the implications of the delimitation report and then talk of MNS.
Is what MNS is saying wrong, given the impact delimitation is going to have on Maharashtra? Does it not prove our English channels/print media wrong, that there is no migrant influx? They keep saying the influx is imaginary-but the delimitation report shows clearly-what SS/MNS has been saying all along is right and the English media, despite its desperate attempts to show no influx into Mumbai/Maharashtra, has doctored statistics to suit its ends and hide the unpalatable facts.
holy crap, how can anyone read all that vikasbhaiyya?
Kiran, or lostwanderer, or me are not saying MNS is wrong at all. People are just protesting here about the nastiness and anger.
If Raj was saying the same things in a more dignified way, and there was no violence, he would have been my hero.
Raj talked about modifying the constitution. He said when it was written, nobody thought about the problems which Mumbai might face in the future. Exactly.
Raj at least is talking about the problems, though his solutions, like yours, are all negative.
Media is right now anti-Maharashtrian. Why? Media will always attack you blindly if there is violence. Whoever starts the violence is asking for an attack from the media.
Read today's Indian express. They say that media was invited to come with TV camera sand phtographers, before MNS guys beat north idnian drivers and vendors. So MNS tried to use the media, and it bomeranged and bit them in the butt. That happens to anyone who tries to use the media at some point.
Asthipanjar swamy:
The Media has ALWAYS been anti-Maharashtrian. Just go to any of our neighbouring states and pick up and English newspaper. Compare how much coverage the state, the people, the language and cultural actitivities are given even in the English media with how much coverage English newspapers here. The Media has always been anti-Maharashtrian; has always airbrushed the Marathi contribution out. They have always made out the Maharashtrian to be incapable people.
And have of course tried to engender a "be grateful to the non-locals mentality among Maharashtrians".
Please tell me what solutions there are. Think for yourself. What solutions there are which are positive and peaceful. Just think: there are none.
Vikasbhaiyya,
The media has always been anti-north indian according to my north indian friends.
The English and Hindi media has always been anti-Maharshtrian according to my Maharashtrian friends. the Marathi media has always been anti-English and anti-north Indian according to my westernized and northie friends.
The media has always been anti-Tamilian according to my Tamilian friends.
The media has been anti-Hindu according to my Hindu friends, anti Muslim according to my Muslim friends and anti-Christian according to my Christian friends. It has been anti-atheist according to my atheist friends.
The media is anti US according to my US friends, anti-German according to German friends. It is anti-BJP according to my BJP friends, anti-Congress according to my Cangressi friends.
My underwear claims that the media is pro-baniyaan and anti-chaddi.
Just go to any of our neighbouring states and pick up and English newspaper. Compare how much coverage the state, the people, the language and cultural actitivities are given even in the English media with how much coverage English newspapers here. Just compare the following:
coverage to local artistes
coverage to local plays
coverage to local films
coverage to local cultural activities
coverage to local sentiments.
reviews of local movies/plays/even books written in Bengali/Telugu/Tamil etc
Please pick up an English newspaper in another state and see how much they cover the state and aspects noted above-and just compare with the English newspapers here.
Also, the punchline:
As you read the newspaper, check out the bylines. One by one. Byline i.e. who wrote it "By so and so." See if you can find EVEN ONE non-local name. Even one non-local name in all the bylines you see in the newspaper. Just one such name. Try this in any state: SOuth India, Bengal, Punjab or any other. Barring maybe Gujarat.
Then compare it with any English newspaper here-see my point:)
Of course, those are the big things in the little cities in other states. Mumbai is on another scale altogether, here whats important is business, money, fashion etc.
They go by their audience. You dont see Japanese politics in Marathi newspapers na.. same principle! English media has an audience which has its own interests. They cater to that, and whats your problem with it?
Perfect way to change it - all Maharshtrian families should subscribe to all English newspapers. Times of India and Hindustan Times, DNA etc have circulation I think total 10 lakhs or more. Let 10 lakh Maharsthrian families buy English newspapers, and they will cater to that audience then!
Bylines. Show me the Maharshtrian who wanted to be an English journalist and could not. I know a few Maharasthrian journalists who wanted to be in English media. Those who got in were succesful too. In fact, a lot of them moved into wire services and websites for even larger sums of money.
There were Maharshtrian female journalists in English media too. I know two of them, both got married and abndoned journalism.
Journalism is not the profession of choice.
English journalism is for people with English sensibilities. Ask Marathi journalists if they prefer to be in English media - they will laugh. You can find them all in the Mumbai Press Club compound in the evening. They are happy where they are, writing in the language they want to write in!
If you really want to compare, compare Mumbai's english newspapers to Delhi's newspapers. You will find the same situation :)
The more metro a city is, the English media reflects that while local vernacular media reflects local concerns.
AsthipanjarDa,
I am staying now in WB. and let me explain to you following Facts:
There is no Truth to your substance.
what about T.V./Electronic Media? how many Marathi correspondents are covering MH as compared to any other Metros?
Availability of free to air channels of other languages in other states.
?????
i dont understand what u are saying...
chavatm,
bengalis are hardcore regional pridewale log.. thats why bengal is run by communists, and kolkata is not mumbai...
if someone wants to be a journalist, go study journalism and try to join the media :-D There are almost no marathi students in mumbais journalism courses, not many are interested, I think they prefer to work in IT or go abroad. More peaceful, secure lives. Who wants to get mindfucked as a journalist!
How do you know that they are not interested?
There is a 50 % quota for non-locals remember? There are plenty of Maharashtrians who are interested in journalism. I don't agree at all.
Perfect way to change it - all Maharshtrian families should subscribe to all English newspapers. Times of India and Hindustan Times, DNA etc have circulation I think total 10 lakhs or more. Let 10 lakh Maharsthrian families buy English newspapers, and they will cater to that audience then!
Most of readers of English newspapers in small towns in MH are Maharashtrians. Even in Pune. Even then, they don't cover the above things.
Your point is fallacious. Every journalist in other states has hardly passed journalism courses. Even then, they are all locals. It is absurd to imagine that in every state in India, there are only local English journalists but in Maharashtra for some reason they are not because interest, readership etc etc.
Why then is there so much of coverage of local culture? Local events? Local plays/movies/books? Local sentiments? Come on, why run away from the truth? They are deliberately giving short shrift to Maharashtrian culture, that's all. You cannot say "English sensibility" isn't this sensibility present in other states as well? Are you telling me the average panwalla in other states reads and English newspaper?!!
He does NOT.
Therefore, what you are saying is superficially true-but if probed deeper and analzyed, the truth emerges.
Bottom Line: All cities in India- ALL Local journalist bylines (Not all-or even most-would have passed journalism courses and so on. Many would have been plain B.A./M.A. ALl bylines local.
Maharashtra: Plenty of non-locals, sometimes ALL Non-Locals.
Why the dichotomy? Come on, don't tell me that Maharashtrians don't want to be English journalists. It ain't so. Even journalism school is a feeble excuse: do you think every reporter in every newspaper in every state is from journalism school:)?
COme on, we aren't talking about the Marathi journalists opting for English newspapers. We are talking about the English medium educated Maharashtrian opting for English language newspapers. We are not talking about the Marathi journalists-we are talking about the people who would and want to join but for whatever reason, are not being selected.
And looking at the "quality" and "capabilitÿ" of our current English language journalists, especially in TV channels-whose cheif qualification seems to be their looks:), I can't beleive that aren't Maharashtrians who are as good. Don't kid yourself into believing that everything is hunky dory in this world and all recruitment is STRICTLY merit-based, merit alone prevails, no room for regional chauvanism anywhere and any accusation of regional bias is pure paronia-sorry. Bias is rampant, nepotism is rampant and region based hiring is ALSO rampant. Merit and hard work alone are CERTAINLY not the only criteria. Don't kid me or yourself.
All regionalists are not paranoid-they often speak the truth.
Check out the following:
There is NO GOOD REASON why CNN-IBN/NDTV have non-Maharashtrian journalists in Pune. No reason at all. I think even Times Now has a non-Maharashtrian correspondent.
vikas,
I am an ex-journalist. Worked in different newspapers in mumbai for 6 years.
There are several marathi journalists in all newspapers. But in my experience, journalism is not an attractive profession for maharashtrians. I am not marathi, so I dont know the cultural reasons.
Journalism is a profession which is full of Bengalis and Malayalis (newspapers), and Mumbaikars (all people), Delhiites, Chandigarh, Bangaloreans etc... I have Maharashtrian journalist friends, who abandoned journalism and moved on to PR and advertising, corporate comunications, which are more lucrative than journalism.
Generally, people with a liberal bend of mind want to become journalists. Or a communist bend of mind.
I have hired journalists too when I was working. I dont remember seeing many resumes from Maharashtrians.
Anyone here know any Maharashtrians who wanted to become journalists?
(Media is so desperate that anyone who can speak and write decent English can get a job. If you have any doubt, try sending a resume to the newspapers or Tv channels.)
Media in Mumbai...
Dancewithshadows: Mumbai is not India. I think you mean the media in Mumbai is hiring crazily, not elsewhere. Just to clarify that. I don't think there's crazy recruitment going on everywhere in India. Is it?
Just talked to two heads of Bureaus in 2 newspapers.
They say, smart English speaking Marathi boys or girls will get jobs instantly. Seems nobody wants to join. Not enough money, maybe - and high stress job.
If you have any resumes, send them to DNA / Times of India / Hindustan Times.
Are these jobs in Mumbai alone? Or elsewhere in MH as well?
BTW, I wasn't born yesterday to believe everything that everyone says. Just because there are very few Maharashtrians-does it mean that they are not willing to join? Come on, I wasn't born yesterday-there are lafdas of regionalism everywhere in the media.
Just look at NDTV-and their Bengali brigade:)
BTW, don't you think for journalism, locals are a must? How does some man from some other place, who has just arrived report on that city? Journalism is one job, especially city/state-based journalism-where locals are a must if reporting has to be authentic. Otherwise, how does the journalist know the language, culture, identity, issues of the state he is in? How does someone who has just come know these issues?
What say?
Vikas, whats this born yesterday and stuff.. you had a question, i answered it.
Some communities have an affinity for certain jobs. Left-liberal cultures have always loved journalism. Gujjus/ marwaris/ punjabis love business.
Like I said, if there are Marathi boys or girls who want to get into journalism, send resumes to the newspapers and TV channels. They always need locals.
The CPM in WB is simply a regional party with the thinnest facade of communism. They are the DMK of West Bengal, nothing more.
Hence, you know, to say Bengali culture is left-liberal is a bit of an exagaration. The CPM is about as communist as the current Congress party is Gandhian. They are (and I have lived in WB) a PURE Bengali regional party.
Kerala, I'm not sure. But left-liberalism in Bengal is often just a pose, some kind of fashion. The CPM in Bengal is as far removed from Marxism as you can get.
And I'm told the one in Kerala is one too.
Guys, can we continue this debate on some other story. Funaholic sorry for taking the fight out of your story but this page is taking ages to load.
yo man no probs.Debate nahi this is like an Essay competition :).All r inspired by vikasjee ;)
Kiran says, "Guys, can we continue this debate on some other story."
No, absolutely not. I'm having fun. Besides, I'm getting to learn so much from Vikas SWAMY **Sarcasm Fully Intended**