Mumbai is often called the city of dreams. The phrase refers not just to Bollywood, but also to the potential the city offers to people for jobs. But dreams can also give rise to delusions.
And, one of the delusions persistently kept alive by some political outfits in Mumbai is that it is being swamped by "outsiders", that is, people from other states. Migration figures clearly show this is a myth.
Mumbai is not being swamped by outsiders. In fact, the proportion of out-of-state migrants has considerably gone down over the decades. In the 1960s, when the "sons of the soil" slogan was first raised, the share of out-of-state migrants in Mumbai’s population was over 36%. In 2001, it had dropped to 26%.
In fact, within the state, migrants from other districts of Maharashtra too has gone down from 27% to 19% of the population. As a consequence, even by a strict definition, Mumbaikars now constitute over 57% of Mumbai's population compared to 34% in 1961. The migrants in Mumbai are now mostly from north Indian states, unlike in the past when Gujaratis and South Indian states made up the largest share.
This is attributed to the rise of Hyderabad, Bangalore and Chennai, as centres of employment and the high economic growth in Gujarat. This indicates that migration can be reduced if jobs are created nearer home.
Another feature of migration to Mumbai is that the new migrants are mostly settling down in Navi Mumbai, Thane, Kalyan and Mira-Bhayander areas. They live in these areas, and if necessary, travel to the main city for work. Thus,
the perception that they are putting an unsustainable load on the civic infrastructure is not completely true.
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written by funaholic 1568 days ago
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Jhoot Sara Sar Jhoot .This press ,new channels are all bloody baised. If u have seen news tv channels yesterday they projected Big B like GOD.Ek school khola To Kya Sant hogaya.
"If necessary, they travel to the main city for work. Thus, the perception that they are putting an unsustainable load on the civic infrastructure is not completely true." What nonsense These guys are coming from up,bihar to bombay for what spending vaccation here.
U knw the biggest difference between Bal Thackrey and raj has is Bal Thackrey Had a power and Newspaper in his hand which makes a lot of diff.He also made many aggressive remarks in past but this time it has become entire press against Raj and its quite strong.
written by manishbhau 1568 days ago
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So why are Balasaheb and Uddhav quiet ?
written by funaholic 1568 days ago
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Its simple manishbhau. Balasaheb is OLD now.Sher budha hogaya hai. Udhav is anyways against Raj.Since the day udhav has taken Shivsena in his hands things have changed.Now suddenly Hindutva is in agenda (which includes uttarbhartiya :)).Remeber Dont call them Bhaiyas call them UttarBhartiya.
There was statement by Manohar joshi and Mr.Raut that "mee Marathi" is shivsena agenda and nobody else shld teach them how to deal with it(taunting raj).But its no more there agenda.Thats what I feel ofcourse. :)
written by kiran 1568 days ago
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Its not actually very simple for shivsena.
Shivsena not saying anything about Raj thackrey and MNS because if they say against him it would be taken as against maharashtrian's and they are worried about loosing their vote bank. If they say pro Raj it would mean their new plans for going national and curbing north indian vote bank in mumbai goes for toss .. its a very difficult situation for them.
But note one point there is nothing about their personal relationships here .. its all about ote bank.
Scondly "congress in center" is making it little worst by saying raj and bl thackrey always worked on such diviing policy to provoke shivsena and say something against or pro raj thackrey. Congress in state cannot say anything because they will first questioned by BJP and SP about law and order in the state.
SP and MNS are very clear and conventional in their games .. SP want to get more and more noiser and make sure all the north indian's vote is in their pocket and this will also make sure that majority of maharashtrian votes will come to MNS.
For us as voters its very simple we just have to choose among bad, ugly and worst.
written by asthipanjar 1568 days ago
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Funaholic, that is because Raj has acted like an IDIOT.
In one shot, he has managed to make all Mahrashtrians look like third rate goondas.
I have talked to many well off north indians outside Mumbai. For the first time ever, Delhiites are openly laughing at Mumbai.
Yes, its media, its exaggeration.. agreed. But Raj forgot that is 2008. There are TV channels which will report everything in hours and replay it again and again. If you make one stupid statement, that is what you will be remembered for. He has done that.
Entire India is watching people beating some poor northies in the trains, vendors, taxi drivers. While this is really between MNS and SP, not understanding how media operates has made it an issue between all north indians and all maharashtrians.
Super job, Raj. Mulayam will send you a thank you bouquet for making him the hero in entire North India.
written by funaholic 1568 days ago
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U r right Asthi.Sab Ek hi thali ke Chatte batte hai.
Anyways back 2 cricket.Tendlya completed 16000 runs in ODI. cool na :)
written by vikas 1568 days ago
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have talked to many well off north indians outside Mumbai. For the first time ever, Delhiites are openly laughing at Mumbai...Mumbai does not need certificates from Delhiwallahas. So whether they are laughing at us or not makes no difference whatsoever. This is an absurd point and completely irrelevant..whether Delhi thinks or does not think about MUmbai is quite irrelevant.
BTW, have talked to many well off north indians outside Mumbai....Talk to many well off Maharashtrians in other parts of Maharashtra and Pune and even in other parts of India. Get their points from them. Talk to well off Maharasshtrians also.
Also, Raj Thackeray is actually stirring up emotions which are already present. Whether he has behaved like an idiot or not, Amar Singh, Amitabh Bachan, English Media, English TV channels, have ALL behaved like IDIOTS.
BTW, every day for 4-5 hours, Kannada organizations are blocking trains for one week or more. If you notice, none of this has been covered in the English papers. On February 1st, they blocked trains for 12 hours to portest againts "anti-Kannada" attitude of the Railways in KA.
Does the English papers have the courage to cover this?
written by kiran 1568 days ago
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First time i agree with you .. partially though.
"Raj Thackeray is actually stirring up emotions which are already present" ... correctly said. But typical to his uncle execution is bad. We don't want to hit anybody .. definately not a common man. We just want our concern to be heard.
Don't take our hospitality for granted, also see what SP is trying to do .. they are pouring more north indians to the city to create their vote bank here in mumbai because its a lucrative platform for politics .. they can do the same in other states of our country by putting them on path of progress but thats a long journey .. they want to make quick money.
And yes, media today is more or less owned by north indian's so they are little bais of course. I mean there is no point watching star plus, aaj tak and all.
written by vikas 1568 days ago
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In West Bengal, when the WB government took the decision to throw open their engineering colleges (and Bengali students) indirectly to competition from other states, as many as 40-50 % of the seats were taken by these non-Bengal students. In response, the WB government barred, yes BARRED non-Bengali students from taking admission into engineering colleges in West Bengal. I didn't hear a peep from you or people of your ilk when this happened. If it happens tomorrow in Maharashtra, the cosmpolitanism, merit, hard work, energy song will be at its cresendo. So much for this point.
In Tamil Nadu, you may or may not be aware that there is 69 % reservation in all government, government-aided as well as private colleges. True enough that is this caste-based. HOWEVER, ONLY people from these castes in TAMIL NADU will benefit. In other words, a Dalit/OBC/ST/SC from MH cannot get a seat in Tamil Nadu under these quotas. Hence, quotas are caste-based: but ONLY those castes which are NATIVE to that state. SO much for this point.
As far as seats in educational institutions are concerned, the LAST thing Maharashtra needs is more educational instituions.
(An additional point: SC's and STs and OBCs from our state CANNOT get any seats in other states under those quotas. However, the students from these states can get seats in OUR STATE under these quotas. Perhaps this is a very fair position. They can get seats under SC/ST/OBC quota here but NOT US there.
Further point: The issue of domicile. In Maharashtra, getting domicile is very easy. Or at least was until I last checked. In fact, it was as easy as passing the XIIstd examination from our state.
In All other states, including even tiny Goa, the domicile was of 15 years duration. Yes, you had to live for 15 years to become a domicile. Here, you are treated as a Maharashtra state candidate if you just pass the XII exam from Maharashtra, not even Maharashtra BOARD, even CBSE and ICSE is ok. In all other states, the sitation is very clear: 15 year domicile is a must. Further examples:
In West Bengal, West Bengal State Board Candidates (WBSEB) are compensated for their board being stingy with marks vis a vis ICSE/CBSE. How do they do this? By cutting ICSE/CBSE candiates by 15 % in many courses. In other words, a WBSEB candidate with 60 % is treated on par with a CBSE candidate with 75 %. Or a WBSB boy with 55 % is on par with an icse 70 %.
This ensures that the sttae board candiates are never at a disadvantage vis a vis other boards. Even though Maharashtra BOard is also stingy with marks, no such compensation is given to the Maharashtra Board guys. THey have to compete when West Bengal students do not have to; the situation is therefore that ICSE and CBSE students get seats because 90-95 % marks are becoming as common in CBSE as ducks for Ajit Agarkar. When Boards are stingy with marks, they should give some compensation viz a viz other board candidates who are not stingy. IN Bengal they do so. IN MH, they do not.
Furthermore, in all boards, state and central, you only need to pass TWO languages in Xth std, study and pass them. In Maharashtra, we are the one and ONLY state where candidates from a STATE BOARD have to study and pass 3 languages. In no other STATE board (or EVEN CBSE and ICSE!) do you have to pass 3 languages. This 3 languages poses a much greater burden on students than their counter parts from other states. In Bengal/TN/AP/Assam, only 2 languages are needed to be studied in Xth std. In CBSE and ICSE, 2 languages are required (IN fact, CBSE/ICSE do not make Hindi compulsory in Xth std, (so-called national boards!) but our state board does.
FYI, I am giving the break-up of engineering seats state by state (roughly) as per the AICTE website:
These are approximately as follows:
Maharashtra: 55,000
Tamil Nadu: 80,000
Andhra Pradesh: 65,000
Karnataka: 45,000
Kerala: 28,000
West Bengal: 13,000
Gujarat: 12,000 seats
Orissa: 10,000 seats
Bihar: 3,000 seats
It is quite clear from the above, the shortfall in not in MH, TN, or AP. It is very clearly in Kerala, Bengal, Orissa, Bihar, Gujarat and other such states. Hence, rather than asking Maharashtra's politicians to open more third-rate colleges, it would preferable to ask the Mayawatis and others of Northern and Eastern India to open more engineering in THEIR states. We have ENOUGH engineering/medical colleges in our state.
An additional point. You will notice that AP, TN have more seats than KA, MH. Yet, why is students flock to study in MH, KA and NOT AP, TN? They have more seats right?
The reason is simple. The absence of a quota in MH and presence of a relatively small quota in KA and means that despite having LESS seats, MORE outstate candiates head to these states and the local people end up getting edged out.
In Tamil Nadu, the 69 % quota just does not allow this to happen. Over and above this, the language and other issues ensure that other than some Telugus, engineering colleges in Tamil Nadu are not affected.
In AP, the story is different. IN AP, the government has barred the entry of non-locals into engineering colleges by saying that ONLY those people who take the EAMCET (i.e AP'S MH-CET)are allowed to take admission. On the other hand, in Maharashtra, there is a 15 % QUOTA (as always, quotas are fine as long as they are not for Maharashtrians) for AIEEE/CBSE PMT candidates. 15 % works out to 15 %/55,000 equals=7,500 seats. That's a lot of seats which go to AIEEE candidates. Neither AP nor TN nor KL nor KA nor GJ has ANY such quota for non-locals. As it is, AIEEE quota is a quota for people from other states in India (which is perfectly all right). THis 15 % quota is unique to MH.
There is a further point. AP's engineering colleges, are to put it mildly, horrible. Most of them are so bad it would shock you. The Telugus themseleves admit it The proof the pudding is always in the eating: the Telugus, despite having 80,000+ seats to choose from, make a beeline for other states colleges: KA, TN and MH. So much for this point.
On to the LMG's (ingusitic minority colleges.) The facts are as follows:
Every lingusitic minority college in the city of Mumbai and elsewhere in Maharashtra has 50 % of its seats reserved for its community. Strangely, the people who advise Maharashtrians not to ask for reservations but compete etc are DEAFENINGLY silent on this matter. A sample is provided:
Khalsa college (Punjabi quota)
KJ Somaiya: (Gujarati quota)
SIES College :(South Indian/Tamil quota)
Thakur COllege (50 % North Indian quota)
Thadomal Shahani (Punjabi quota)
Rizvi quota (Muslim quota)
Bhavan's college (Gujarati quota)
and so on. Hence, the Gujaratis, Punjabis, et al have reserved seats for themselves in their own states AS WELL AS seats for themselves in OUR STATE.
We are the only state in India to have colleges which have reservations of this order and that too for people not native to the state. That this is accepted and that the same people lecture locals about reservation not being good, is another example of hypocrisy.
Now to provide some more examples:
Gujarat National Law University (GNLU): 10 % quota for Gujarat state candidates.)
National Law University Bhopal: (NLIU Bhopal): 50 % quota for state candidates+quota for girls (only those from MP)+SC+ST(only those from MP) and so on. You can imagine, out of some 80-100 seats, only 20-25 are left for the so-called outsiders.
Chattisgarh National Law University (50 % quota for state candidates)
On the other hand, there is NO, I repeat NO quota for local candiates in ANY of Maharashtra's law colleges. So much for this point.
In Haryana, the government has decided to create an education city in Sonepat, near Gurgaon. In it, it has decided to set aside 25 % of its seats for candiates from Haryana state. This has been assured by none other than the Chief Minister. It is to be called Rajiv gandhi education city. 25 % of the seats to be set aside from the beginning for locals. He has reiterated it several times.
Even in Chanakya National Law University, there is a quota for Bihari candiates. (I read this in a Sify report. If you do a google search for it, may you find the report)
Needless to say, St. Stephens and St.Xavier's both have 50 % reservations for Christians. Haven't heard anyone tell me that this made these institutions any less sought after. The lines outside them are still as long as before.
If reservations is such a bad thing, than why don't Christians in St. Xavier's/St.Stephen's get rid of their Christian quota?
written by funaholic 1568 days ago
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Vikas jee why u r putting same thing again and again in every post. :) Instead u put a link we will go and read promise :)
written by kiran 1568 days ago
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Vikas .. can you put smaller comments. Your long running and repetative comments are just waste like political speech. Iam now wondering if you are really concern about the subject or you are just trying some kind of Search Engine Optimization technique. Hope you understand my point.
written by vikas 1568 days ago - show/hide this comment
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Please think: If you have no problem with all these states giving quotas for their local people in their states, then why are still singing your meritocracy song?
Quotas are in Mumbai based colleges only, and not over all of Maharshtra...he he. Merit swamy, merit: how does your theory of merit alone prevailing square with 50 % Linguistic minority quota? Where is the merit/hard work/drive/energy and so on and so forth? Where is the cosmo song?
Appreciated: Reservations for local, not because he is marathi speaking but since he should not be forced to go long for education.... Swamy, why should reservations not be for Marathi speaking people? There can be reservations for Tamilains in TN, Keralites in KL, Goans in Goa, Punjabis in Punjab, Telugus in AP, Kannadigas in Karnataka, Bengalis in WB, Oriyas in Orissa, Gujaratis in Gujarart...and all these quotas can be there for these communtieis in our state AS WELL!! If quotas should not be for linguistic/religions-then why are you so silent on the linguistic minority quotas prevalent in Mumbai, Thane, Kalyan, Dombivili, Pen and so on? Where is your sentiment that quotas should not be there for lingustic/religious reasons?
After all this, you STILL OPPOSE reservations for Maharashtrians in Maharashtra? Dude, are you nuts?
Dont blame public for the decision taken by governments and politicians based their own interest and not in public interest...
Swamy, I am rolling in laughter!! What did you just say: not in public interest...which world are you living in? What do you mean...not in public interest? If it wasn't in the public interest, you think these guys would have done it? Who are you kidding? Who are you trying to fool...you think the local people didn't want it? You think the local people didn't want reservations? Didn't want seats ONLY FOR THEMSELVES? Didn;t want admission to be dabarred to non-locals? YOu honestly think that those poeple in other states WANT Non-locals or that they were upset and the politicians imposed it upon them? Dude, what public interest and their own interest?! The local people of these states WANT RESERVATION and THAT'S WHY the politicians GAVE IT TO THEM, the local people want reservation/quotas and that;s why politicos gave it to them. Understand that fact. THese guys are very happy to be 100 % local colleges/schools. You think the government took the decision without thinking of the local people? You think the local people are unhappy about this?
You think the Bengalis were anything but happy when they debarred non-BOngs from taking admission?
yeah right...who is the public in Haryana? Haryanvis...so who benefits from 25 % reservation...who else but Haryanvis?
Who is the public in Punjab? Punjus..so who benefits from 85 % reservation-who else but Punjabis?
Who is the public in TN? So who benefits but Tamilians?
So, to cut a long story short, these decisions are taken to benefit the local people BECAUSE QUOTAS BENEFIT THE LOCAL PEOPLE i.e. PUBLIC INTEREST, therefore when politicians reserve seats, they do it very much in public interest i.e. the local public..local people's interest.
Public interest in all states means that which is in the interest of the local people of that state. Reservations benefit LOCAL PEOPLE, hence these decisions are actually TOTALLY IN PUBLIC INTEREST, because reservations=local people=public interest.
Therefore, reservations for locals are in THE PUBLIC INTEREST OF THE PEOPLE of that state!!
Swamy, think a little. If it wasn't in the local people's interest, they would have opposed it right?! Complained right?! Made protest, candle light Marches, written letters of complaints-right? After all, if it isn;t in your interest, you'll complain right?
Swamy, think a little. If it wasn't in the local people's interest, they would have opposed it right?!
Swamy, if you oppose linguistic quotas, then please oppose the 50 % quota given to:
Malayalis
Goans
Sindhis
Gujaratis
Parsis
Hindi-speakers
Tamilians
Kannadigas
Telugus
Marwaris
Jains
Sikhs
Punjabis
ALL OF THESE are given on the basis on LINGUISTIC REASONS, not local people, not living for a long time etc. Even a person directly from these states can come and take up the quota even if he has never lived in Mumbai even for one month. Funnily, I never hear people of your ilk pointing out that reservations for these communities in LM colleges are based ONLY on Linguisitic reasons, nothing to do with local people etc. Nothing whatsoever to do with local people, local residents. NOTHING-JUST LINGUISTIC REASONS i.e MOTHER TONGUE.
So what's your arguement? It's OK if these guys reserve seats for mother tongue students in YOUR STATE and you don't oppose it/criticise it but if Maharashtrians want the SAME THING in their state then its WRONG.
Why? Why is it wrong only in our state?
Reservations for Punjabis, Sindhis, Gujjus, Marwaris, Parsis, South Indias, North Indians, Bengalis, Keralites, Telugus, Kannadigas...Fine. Especially if such quotas are in MAHARASHTRA, not in THOSE STATES. This way, even a person who has never lived in Maharashtra, can avail of a seat under that quota. Even if he has never lived here, is not a local, non-resident etc.
But a quota for a Maharashtrian in Maharashtra...then everyone (including our typical hi-fi Maharashtrians)start talking about merit, hard work, no reservations for linguistic reasons, only locals (50 % quota for linguistic minorities), competiteveness, energy, drive, Bumbai hamara hai, Bumbai pura desh ka hai, Bumbai toh pura duniya ka hai...etc.
Why the hypocrisy swamy? Why the hypocirsy? All other communities reserve seats for their mother tongue students, not locals, not local residents, not those who are staying in Mumbai.
So why complain when Maharashtrians ask for quotas on linguistic basis? Aren't all other communities getting the same thing?
written by vikas 1568 days ago
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pavwalafrommumbai:
Swamy, I understand your sentiments and fully appreciate it. You will understand then how I (and other Maharashtrians too) feel when people say...
These Maharashtrians keep asking for reservations because they are incompetent...
Maharashtrians are useless people...
These bloody ghatis...
It hurts when Aditi Ghorpade has to change her public name to Aditi Pratap to hide her Maharashtrian name and identity...
It hurts when people write about Mumbai and airbrush the Maharashtrian contribution out totally...
It hurts when the same people who reserve 50 % or more seats for their community and then jeer and make fun of Maharashtrians for asking for the same thing...
It hurts when the English Media, English print media, Hindi channels and Bollywood caricatures, ridicules and makes fun of Maharashtrians in all ways: trashing their language, making fun of their culture and ignoring their contribution totally...
It hurts when you are made out to be a third class people in your own state...
It hurts when you are abused for speaking in your own language in your own state at railway stations...
It hurts when people cannot write about Marathi, Maharashtrians or Marathi culture without wrinkling their noses and being patronzing/condescending....
It hurts when non-Marathi people make fun of Maharashtrians asking for reservations and lecture them about ""merit, cosmpolitanism, merit, hard work, energy, drive, hunger, competitivness "merit alone must prevail", merit alone must be the deciding factor, work hard and prosper else perish, reservations cannot be there" lazy Marathis must not ask for reservations and compete, merit alone must prevail" AND THEN turn around and reserve 60-70 % of the seats in their OWN states for THEIR OWN people (same thing they are making fun of us here for asking) AND THEN reserve 50 % (and more) of the seats in OUR state for THEIR community and FORCE us to compete in OUR OWN state for seats, have a Maharashtrian candidate get 75-80 % and struggle while a lingustic minority student gets 50-55 % and gets in and THEN TALK of "Merit alone must prevail-NO RESERVATIONS for Maharashtrians (FOR EVERYONE ELSE, its ok.)
Swamy, when you ridicule a community's culture, trash their language, write about them condescendingly, patronziingly and often downright contemtously, abuse them and in general ignore their culture and other aspects totally and consciously paint them as somewhat undesirable people, people who are always a bit undesirable-then do not expect them to be very polite. I have many Christian friends and I see your point. But the Maharashtrian is only 7 %of the population and has contributed so much to the nation...a state where 30-35 % of the population itself is non-native to the state (which shows how good a state it is to settle down in), a state where you never have to learn the local language no matter how long you live here (UNlike in TN/WB/AP/KA/KL/OR/GUJ/PUNJAB), a state where the local people adjust to you and start speaking your language just to make you feel at home...and then all you get are abuses and complaints and criticisms for all and sundry, as if their own places were heavens of some sort.
If reservations is such a bad thing, than why don't Christians in St. Xavier's/St.Stephen's get rid of their Christian quota?
I stand by my question. If this hurts your feelings, I apologise. But you can change that to Gujarati/Sindhi/Bengali/North India/Tamil/Keralite/Parsi/Marwari/Jain/Bohri/Muslim and it will still be valid.
Simply put:
when there are quotas for local people in other states...
when there are quotas for these very same people in our state (50 %+)
then no one complains "cosmpolitanism, merit, hard work, energy song "Merit alone must prevail" "merit, hard work etc"
But...
when Maharashtrians ask for the SAME THING as given to these others (both in their own state/here)...
when there are quotas for local people in other states...
when there are quotas for these very same people in our state (50 %+)...
Why aren't there quotas for Maharashtrians in Maharashtra?
written by god 1568 days ago
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Ok Vikas this is enough. This is the last warning to you. Submit short comments. don't paste same things over and over again. Or else i will moderate your comments.
On personal note, the subject of quota is very interesting but you are making it so boring with your speeches. Learn to give the facts short and straight so common people like us can understand.
written by iconoclast 1097 days ago
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O I see you dont want deep study on any subject. Everything can not be eleborated in short
written by vikas 1568 days ago
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Dude, what's your problem?
The truth is what I'm supposed to ignore-that quotas etc are for all communities but Maharashtrians, both in other states as well as other community college quotas in our state as well.
I am pointing out the TRUTH. That is what hurts you and bugs you isn't it?
written by god 1567 days ago
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No Chief. i appreciate your concern. But my problem is length of your comments,they are way too long. If you want to convey your message to larger audience and in more effective fashion. Be straight to the point and short, i will request you to trust my web experience.
written by saurabh 1567 days ago
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Hi Vikas, your feelings getting hurt when reading bad statements about marathis is correct. Even I feel the same way, the people quoting those statements are not doing any good for the public.
They are neither writing for benifit of the people target nor it is addressed to, its just that they want to keep the issue alive and get popularity and visibility out of it.
If you feel that there is wrong in reservation not based on merit then condemn it, no point in justifying it because someone else is doing it.
I think we need to go to the root of the disagrrement. According to me merit should be based on the criteria based on the economic, distance of travel, etc. which does not differentiate between u, me and others.
Politicians are using the same old methodology "Divide and rule", which side you are on?
written by asthipanjar 1567 days ago
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vikas.. simple thing.. start a new thread with whatever u want to say.. otherwise its hijacking other thread-topics..
written by manishbhau 1567 days ago
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Sorry Ashtipanjar, i didn't want to hijack your hijack comment ;-)
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Hello everybody....
I live in UP and one marathi family is living from many years in our locality...they are earning here only....so then i just wanted to ask should i beat them or not?????i am really in dilemna...because they are indians so i dont consider them outsider and at the same time according to these recent theories i should...so plz help me out.
written by Yeloblu 1097 days ago
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If they are not willing to learn Hindi … Or not willing to interact with you in "your" mother tongue please beat them.
If they insult your people or your language or your culture and are acting arrogant please beat them.
If they are not paying taxes and misusing the government facilities that are provided to them free of cost please beat them.
If they their house is a part of illegal constructions… or they have created slums… Please break them and beat them again.
If they have created fake ration cards by bribing the rationing officers…beat them again
If they have occupied your roads, Pedestrian bridges illegally to setup shops.. Where you won’t get any bills … so not tax paying again beat them again.
If they are shabby and making your city look dirty … (Assuming that you have it well enough to not to be called dirty)…please beat them
If they are hijacking your buses holding innocent people hostage. Beat them again and you can even shoot them.
If their political leaders from MH are asking them to settle in UP just because they don’t have jobs here in Mumbai… Please beat them.
Buddy now since u live in that shit hole have a look around …and you will know why people are migrating to Mumbai… and why people from Mumbai don’t want you here..
I won’t be surprised if we see even dogs and cattle migrating from UP/BIHAR to Mumbai for better life in near future….
And If you haven’t heard of this let me reiterate it for you…
When in Rome, Do it they way Romans do.
If you don’t understand it please use Google it might actually enlighten you.
written by sandeshp 1097 days ago
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boley to ekdum jhakkas, Yeloblu!!
written by prashu 1097 days ago
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Pushp do u have any answer to comments of Yeloblu????
Well done Yeloblu.............
written by chaakarmaani 1096 days ago
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what a tight slap... beat pushp read yellowblue
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Well dear you where you actually lacking....the word u using "they" .Nothing else the problem is....Well we see country as whole and your eyes can see only your maharastra...
well if a person of Maharashtra has right to settle down in mumbai...every body in the country too has the right.
Well if i ask you that you why u writing here in English and hurting people of India...will it make sense...if yes then again your brain is very much narrow..because its the common language defined...
And if u say that they insult your culture let me correct you our culture are pretty same and if they do so they doing there own culture not specifically yours..
and the problems you are enlisting they are a common problem which happen to each and every place...also it cant be accounted to just few people.everybody does that.
Again if you believe that people are so fool and politicians are so sharp minded that they will follow them blindly then that same scenario lies here too.
you people are not doing good not for yourself and not for others...the fact is you all just bringing up the differences in people which nobody use to see...and i have a example for that...my younger cousin always knew that Shivaji was a great warrior but along with that now due to courtesy you people he has also started knowing that he belongs to Maharashtra..don't do this man...i m not here to fight or something which above people claiming what a tight slap...dear we take you all as our brothers..make it one whole country not dividing into states and parts....treat every place like yours and others...our leaders have not fought for so many years on their lives just to get divided again.
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@srivastavapushpraj
A read all you have written above… n trust me it’s agonizingly painful…but your questions still remain unanswered ….
“should i beat them or not?????i am really in dilemna..”
You couldn’t even think of touching ‘that Maharashtrian family’ could you???
You know why??? Cause answer for all the questions was “N O “a “BIG NO “
You seem to be one of those bitten by ‘I am Indian you are not’ syndrome….
Trust me I am not here for ‘BHAIYYA BASHING’ but when people like you make this about us not being ‘INDIAN’ it just ticks me off!!!
Why are you hell bent on proving that this is about being an Indian or being patriotic???
Being an ‘INDIAN’ doesn’t give u license to shit wherever you please!!!!
According to you…
Just because you are a ‘INDIAN’ you have all the rights in the world to
look down to any other community, create slums, abuse public services /resources, give/ take bribe.
So truly Indian of you!!!!!
Since you are an INDIAN and you have the right why don’t you create jhopadpattis and settle down at 10, Janpath or Rajghat??? Let’s see what treatment you get…
You will be thrown off even before you notice… so why double standards when it comes to Mumbai???
Rajghat is sacred … n Mumbai belongs to your grandpa or what???
The rights are given to you by our great constitution... Constitution is a power… and as spidy rightly said…with great power comes great responsibility … you misused that power… now suffer the consequences …
Talking about politicians fooling people…
WAKE UP … neither me nor any of my ancestors voted for that freakin lalu for 15 years!!!!!
Mayawati’s BSP rules in UP not in MH ….
What are you BLIND????? Or all you see right now is MH and how ppl kicking you out of here…
Did you even once ask your self WHY YOU HAVE TO COME TO MH FOR JOBS IN THE FIRST PLACE???????
Why all of INDIA…(Don’t make me remind you the remarks made by State ministers of Gujarat, Goa, Karnataka) wants these bhiyaas out of their state???
About writing in English …. Cause I chose to …
I REFUSE TO USE HINDI... and understating Marathi from you is just too much to ask …
If what we are doing is good or bad….Good for whome and bad for whome … Let’s not rush the conclusion… only time will tell that…
And as Raj says … तूर्तास एव्हढेच!!!!!
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Jhoot Sara Sar Jhoot .This press ,new channels are all bloody baised. If u have seen news tv channels yesterday they projected Big B like GOD.Ek school khola To Kya Sant hogaya.
"If necessary, they travel to the main city for work. Thus, the perception that they are putting an unsustainable load on the civic infrastructure is not completely true." What nonsense These guys are coming from up,bihar to bombay for what spending vaccation here.
U knw the biggest difference between Bal Thackrey and raj has is Bal Thackrey Had a power and Newspaper in his hand which makes a lot of diff.He also made many aggressive remarks in past but this time it has become entire press against Raj and its quite strong.
So why are Balasaheb and Uddhav quiet ?
Its simple manishbhau. Balasaheb is OLD now.Sher budha hogaya hai. Udhav is anyways against Raj.Since the day udhav has taken Shivsena in his hands things have changed.Now suddenly Hindutva is in agenda (which includes uttarbhartiya :)).Remeber Dont call them Bhaiyas call them UttarBhartiya.
There was statement by Manohar joshi and Mr.Raut that "mee Marathi" is shivsena agenda and nobody else shld teach them how to deal with it(taunting raj).But its no more there agenda.Thats what I feel ofcourse. :)
Its not actually very simple for shivsena.
Shivsena not saying anything about Raj thackrey and MNS because if they say against him it would be taken as against maharashtrian's and they are worried about loosing their vote bank. If they say pro Raj it would mean their new plans for going national and curbing north indian vote bank in mumbai goes for toss .. its a very difficult situation for them.
But note one point there is nothing about their personal relationships here .. its all about ote bank.
Scondly "congress in center" is making it little worst by saying raj and bl thackrey always worked on such diviing policy to provoke shivsena and say something against or pro raj thackrey. Congress in state cannot say anything because they will first questioned by BJP and SP about law and order in the state.
SP and MNS are very clear and conventional in their games .. SP want to get more and more noiser and make sure all the north indian's vote is in their pocket and this will also make sure that majority of maharashtrian votes will come to MNS.
For us as voters its very simple we just have to choose among bad, ugly and worst.
Funaholic, that is because Raj has acted like an IDIOT.
In one shot, he has managed to make all Mahrashtrians look like third rate goondas.
I have talked to many well off north indians outside Mumbai. For the first time ever, Delhiites are openly laughing at Mumbai.
Yes, its media, its exaggeration.. agreed. But Raj forgot that is 2008. There are TV channels which will report everything in hours and replay it again and again. If you make one stupid statement, that is what you will be remembered for. He has done that.
Entire India is watching people beating some poor northies in the trains, vendors, taxi drivers. While this is really between MNS and SP, not understanding how media operates has made it an issue between all north indians and all maharashtrians.
Super job, Raj. Mulayam will send you a thank you bouquet for making him the hero in entire North India.
U r right Asthi.Sab Ek hi thali ke Chatte batte hai.
Anyways back 2 cricket.Tendlya completed 16000 runs in ODI. cool na :)
have talked to many well off north indians outside Mumbai. For the first time ever, Delhiites are openly laughing at Mumbai...Mumbai does not need certificates from Delhiwallahas. So whether they are laughing at us or not makes no difference whatsoever. This is an absurd point and completely irrelevant..whether Delhi thinks or does not think about MUmbai is quite irrelevant.
BTW, have talked to many well off north indians outside Mumbai....Talk to many well off Maharashtrians in other parts of Maharashtra and Pune and even in other parts of India. Get their points from them. Talk to well off Maharasshtrians also.
Also, Raj Thackeray is actually stirring up emotions which are already present. Whether he has behaved like an idiot or not, Amar Singh, Amitabh Bachan, English Media, English TV channels, have ALL behaved like IDIOTS.
BTW, every day for 4-5 hours, Kannada organizations are blocking trains for one week or more. If you notice, none of this has been covered in the English papers. On February 1st, they blocked trains for 12 hours to portest againts "anti-Kannada" attitude of the Railways in KA.
Does the English papers have the courage to cover this?
First time i agree with you .. partially though.
"Raj Thackeray is actually stirring up emotions which are already present" ... correctly said. But typical to his uncle execution is bad. We don't want to hit anybody .. definately not a common man. We just want our concern to be heard.
Don't take our hospitality for granted, also see what SP is trying to do .. they are pouring more north indians to the city to create their vote bank here in mumbai because its a lucrative platform for politics .. they can do the same in other states of our country by putting them on path of progress but thats a long journey .. they want to make quick money.
And yes, media today is more or less owned by north indian's so they are little bais of course. I mean there is no point watching star plus, aaj tak and all.
In West Bengal, when the WB government took the decision to throw open their engineering colleges (and Bengali students) indirectly to competition from other states, as many as 40-50 % of the seats were taken by these non-Bengal students. In response, the WB government barred, yes BARRED non-Bengali students from taking admission into engineering colleges in West Bengal. I didn't hear a peep from you or people of your ilk when this happened. If it happens tomorrow in Maharashtra, the cosmpolitanism, merit, hard work, energy song will be at its cresendo. So much for this point.
In Tamil Nadu, you may or may not be aware that there is 69 % reservation in all government, government-aided as well as private colleges. True enough that is this caste-based. HOWEVER, ONLY people from these castes in TAMIL NADU will benefit. In other words, a Dalit/OBC/ST/SC from MH cannot get a seat in Tamil Nadu under these quotas. Hence, quotas are caste-based: but ONLY those castes which are NATIVE to that state. SO much for this point.
As far as seats in educational institutions are concerned, the LAST thing Maharashtra needs is more educational instituions.
(An additional point: SC's and STs and OBCs from our state CANNOT get any seats in other states under those quotas. However, the students from these states can get seats in OUR STATE under these quotas. Perhaps this is a very fair position. They can get seats under SC/ST/OBC quota here but NOT US there.
Further point: The issue of domicile. In Maharashtra, getting domicile is very easy. Or at least was until I last checked. In fact, it was as easy as passing the XIIstd examination from our state.
In All other states, including even tiny Goa, the domicile was of 15 years duration. Yes, you had to live for 15 years to become a domicile. Here, you are treated as a Maharashtra state candidate if you just pass the XII exam from Maharashtra, not even Maharashtra BOARD, even CBSE and ICSE is ok. In all other states, the sitation is very clear: 15 year domicile is a must. Further examples:
In West Bengal, West Bengal State Board Candidates (WBSEB) are compensated for their board being stingy with marks vis a vis ICSE/CBSE. How do they do this? By cutting ICSE/CBSE candiates by 15 % in many courses. In other words, a WBSEB candidate with 60 % is treated on par with a CBSE candidate with 75 %. Or a WBSB boy with 55 % is on par with an icse 70 %.
This ensures that the sttae board candiates are never at a disadvantage vis a vis other boards. Even though Maharashtra BOard is also stingy with marks, no such compensation is given to the Maharashtra Board guys. THey have to compete when West Bengal students do not have to; the situation is therefore that ICSE and CBSE students get seats because 90-95 % marks are becoming as common in CBSE as ducks for Ajit Agarkar. When Boards are stingy with marks, they should give some compensation viz a viz other board candidates who are not stingy. IN Bengal they do so. IN MH, they do not.
Furthermore, in all boards, state and central, you only need to pass TWO languages in Xth std, study and pass them. In Maharashtra, we are the one and ONLY state where candidates from a STATE BOARD have to study and pass 3 languages. In no other STATE board (or EVEN CBSE and ICSE!) do you have to pass 3 languages. This 3 languages poses a much greater burden on students than their counter parts from other states. In Bengal/TN/AP/Assam, only 2 languages are needed to be studied in Xth std. In CBSE and ICSE, 2 languages are required (IN fact, CBSE/ICSE do not make Hindi compulsory in Xth std, (so-called national boards!) but our state board does.
FYI, I am giving the break-up of engineering seats state by state (roughly) as per the AICTE website:
These are approximately as follows:
Maharashtra: 55,000
Tamil Nadu: 80,000
Andhra Pradesh: 65,000
Karnataka: 45,000
Kerala: 28,000
West Bengal: 13,000
Gujarat: 12,000 seats
Orissa: 10,000 seats
Bihar: 3,000 seats
It is quite clear from the above, the shortfall in not in MH, TN, or AP. It is very clearly in Kerala, Bengal, Orissa, Bihar, Gujarat and other such states. Hence, rather than asking Maharashtra's politicians to open more third-rate colleges, it would preferable to ask the Mayawatis and others of Northern and Eastern India to open more engineering in THEIR states. We have ENOUGH engineering/medical colleges in our state.
An additional point. You will notice that AP, TN have more seats than KA, MH. Yet, why is students flock to study in MH, KA and NOT AP, TN? They have more seats right?
The reason is simple. The absence of a quota in MH and presence of a relatively small quota in KA and means that despite having LESS seats, MORE outstate candiates head to these states and the local people end up getting edged out.
In Tamil Nadu, the 69 % quota just does not allow this to happen. Over and above this, the language and other issues ensure that other than some Telugus, engineering colleges in Tamil Nadu are not affected.
In AP, the story is different. IN AP, the government has barred the entry of non-locals into engineering colleges by saying that ONLY those people who take the EAMCET (i.e AP'S MH-CET)are allowed to take admission. On the other hand, in Maharashtra, there is a 15 % QUOTA (as always, quotas are fine as long as they are not for Maharashtrians) for AIEEE/CBSE PMT candidates. 15 % works out to 15 %/55,000 equals=7,500 seats. That's a lot of seats which go to AIEEE candidates. Neither AP nor TN nor KL nor KA nor GJ has ANY such quota for non-locals. As it is, AIEEE quota is a quota for people from other states in India (which is perfectly all right). THis 15 % quota is unique to MH.
There is a further point. AP's engineering colleges, are to put it mildly, horrible. Most of them are so bad it would shock you. The Telugus themseleves admit it The proof the pudding is always in the eating: the Telugus, despite having 80,000+ seats to choose from, make a beeline for other states colleges: KA, TN and MH. So much for this point.
On to the LMG's (ingusitic minority colleges.) The facts are as follows:
Every lingusitic minority college in the city of Mumbai and elsewhere in Maharashtra has 50 % of its seats reserved for its community. Strangely, the people who advise Maharashtrians not to ask for reservations but compete etc are DEAFENINGLY silent on this matter. A sample is provided:
Khalsa college (Punjabi quota)
KJ Somaiya: (Gujarati quota)
SIES College :(South Indian/Tamil quota)
Thakur COllege (50 % North Indian quota)
Thadomal Shahani (Punjabi quota)
Rizvi quota (Muslim quota)
Bhavan's college (Gujarati quota)
and so on. Hence, the Gujaratis, Punjabis, et al have reserved seats for themselves in their own states AS WELL AS seats for themselves in OUR STATE.
We are the only state in India to have colleges which have reservations of this order and that too for people not native to the state. That this is accepted and that the same people lecture locals about reservation not being good, is another example of hypocrisy.
Now to provide some more examples:
Gujarat National Law University (GNLU): 10 % quota for Gujarat state candidates.)
National Law University Bhopal: (NLIU Bhopal): 50 % quota for state candidates+quota for girls (only those from MP)+SC+ST(only those from MP) and so on. You can imagine, out of some 80-100 seats, only 20-25 are left for the so-called outsiders.
Chattisgarh National Law University (50 % quota for state candidates)
On the other hand, there is NO, I repeat NO quota for local candiates in ANY of Maharashtra's law colleges. So much for this point.
In Haryana, the government has decided to create an education city in Sonepat, near Gurgaon. In it, it has decided to set aside 25 % of its seats for candiates from Haryana state. This has been assured by none other than the Chief Minister. It is to be called Rajiv gandhi education city. 25 % of the seats to be set aside from the beginning for locals. He has reiterated it several times.
Even in Chanakya National Law University, there is a quota for Bihari candiates. (I read this in a Sify report. If you do a google search for it, may you find the report)
Needless to say, St. Stephens and St.Xavier's both have 50 % reservations for Christians. Haven't heard anyone tell me that this made these institutions any less sought after. The lines outside them are still as long as before.
If reservations is such a bad thing, than why don't Christians in St. Xavier's/St.Stephen's get rid of their Christian quota?
Vikas jee why u r putting same thing again and again in every post. :) Instead u put a link we will go and read promise :)
Vikas .. can you put smaller comments. Your long running and repetative comments are just waste like political speech. Iam now wondering if you are really concern about the subject or you are just trying some kind of Search Engine Optimization technique. Hope you understand my point.
pavwalafrommumbai:
Swamy, I understand your sentiments and fully appreciate it. You will understand then how I (and other Maharashtrians too) feel when people say...
These Maharashtrians keep asking for reservations because they are incompetent...
Maharashtrians are useless people...
These bloody ghatis...
It hurts when Aditi Ghorpade has to change her public name to Aditi Pratap to hide her Maharashtrian name and identity...
It hurts when people write about Mumbai and airbrush the Maharashtrian contribution out totally...
It hurts when the same people who reserve 50 % or more seats for their community and then jeer and make fun of Maharashtrians for asking for the same thing...
It hurts when the English Media, English print media, Hindi channels and Bollywood caricatures, ridicules and makes fun of Maharashtrians in all ways: trashing their language, making fun of their culture and ignoring their contribution totally...
It hurts when you are made out to be a third class people in your own state...
It hurts when you are abused for speaking in your own language in your own state at railway stations...
It hurts when people cannot write about Marathi, Maharashtrians or Marathi culture without wrinkling their noses and being patronzing/condescending....
It hurts when non-Marathi people make fun of Maharashtrians asking for reservations and lecture them about ""merit, cosmpolitanism, merit, hard work, energy, drive, hunger, competitivness "merit alone must prevail", merit alone must be the deciding factor, work hard and prosper else perish, reservations cannot be there" lazy Marathis must not ask for reservations and compete, merit alone must prevail" AND THEN turn around and reserve 60-70 % of the seats in their OWN states for THEIR OWN people (same thing they are making fun of us here for asking) AND THEN reserve 50 % (and more) of the seats in OUR state for THEIR community and FORCE us to compete in OUR OWN state for seats, have a Maharashtrian candidate get 75-80 % and struggle while a lingustic minority student gets 50-55 % and gets in and THEN TALK of "Merit alone must prevail-NO RESERVATIONS for Maharashtrians (FOR EVERYONE ELSE, its ok.)
Swamy, when you ridicule a community's culture, trash their language, write about them condescendingly, patronziingly and often downright contemtously, abuse them and in general ignore their culture and other aspects totally and consciously paint them as somewhat undesirable people, people who are always a bit undesirable-then do not expect them to be very polite. I have many Christian friends and I see your point. But the Maharashtrian is only 7 %of the population and has contributed so much to the nation...a state where 30-35 % of the population itself is non-native to the state (which shows how good a state it is to settle down in), a state where you never have to learn the local language no matter how long you live here (UNlike in TN/WB/AP/KA/KL/OR/GUJ/PUNJAB), a state where the local people adjust to you and start speaking your language just to make you feel at home...and then all you get are abuses and complaints and criticisms for all and sundry, as if their own places were heavens of some sort.
If reservations is such a bad thing, than why don't Christians in St. Xavier's/St.Stephen's get rid of their Christian quota?
I stand by my question. If this hurts your feelings, I apologise. But you can change that to Gujarati/Sindhi/Bengali/North India/Tamil/Keralite/Parsi/Marwari/Jain/Bohri/Muslim and it will still be valid.
Simply put:
when there are quotas for local people in other states...
when there are quotas for these very same people in our state (50 %+)
then no one complains "cosmpolitanism, merit, hard work, energy song "Merit alone must prevail" "merit, hard work etc"
But...
when Maharashtrians ask for the SAME THING as given to these others (both in their own state/here)...
when there are quotas for local people in other states...
when there are quotas for these very same people in our state (50 %+)...
Why aren't there quotas for Maharashtrians in Maharashtra?
Ok Vikas this is enough. This is the last warning to you. Submit short comments. don't paste same things over and over again. Or else i will moderate your comments.
On personal note, the subject of quota is very interesting but you are making it so boring with your speeches. Learn to give the facts short and straight so common people like us can understand.
O I see you dont want deep study on any subject. Everything can not be eleborated in short
Dude, what's your problem?
The truth is what I'm supposed to ignore-that quotas etc are for all communities but Maharashtrians, both in other states as well as other community college quotas in our state as well.
I am pointing out the TRUTH. That is what hurts you and bugs you isn't it?
No Chief. i appreciate your concern. But my problem is length of your comments,they are way too long. If you want to convey your message to larger audience and in more effective fashion. Be straight to the point and short, i will request you to trust my web experience.
Hi Vikas, your feelings getting hurt when reading bad statements about marathis is correct. Even I feel the same way, the people quoting those statements are not doing any good for the public.
They are neither writing for benifit of the people target nor it is addressed to, its just that they want to keep the issue alive and get popularity and visibility out of it.
If you feel that there is wrong in reservation not based on merit then condemn it, no point in justifying it because someone else is doing it.
I think we need to go to the root of the disagrrement. According to me merit should be based on the criteria based on the economic, distance of travel, etc. which does not differentiate between u, me and others.
Politicians are using the same old methodology "Divide and rule", which side you are on?
vikas.. simple thing.. start a new thread with whatever u want to say.. otherwise its hijacking other thread-topics..
Hijacking... that reminds me
http://www.indianexpress.com/story/269698.html
Sorry Ashtipanjar, i didn't want to hijack your hijack comment ;-)
If they are not willing to learn Hindi … Or not willing to interact with you in "your" mother tongue please beat them.
If they insult your people or your language or your culture and are acting arrogant please beat them.
If they are not paying taxes and misusing the government facilities that are provided to them free of cost please beat them.
If they their house is a part of illegal constructions… or they have created slums… Please break them and beat them again.
If they have created fake ration cards by bribing the rationing officers…beat them again
If they have occupied your roads, Pedestrian bridges illegally to setup shops.. Where you won’t get any bills … so not tax paying again beat them again.
If they are shabby and making your city look dirty … (Assuming that you have it well enough to not to be called dirty)…please beat them
If they are hijacking your buses holding innocent people hostage. Beat them again and you can even shoot them.
If their political leaders from MH are asking them to settle in UP just because they don’t have jobs here in Mumbai… Please beat them.
Buddy now since u live in that shit hole have a look around …and you will know why people are migrating to Mumbai… and why people from Mumbai don’t want you here..
I won’t be surprised if we see even dogs and cattle migrating from UP/BIHAR to Mumbai for better life in near future….
And If you haven’t heard of this let me reiterate it for you…
When in Rome, Do it they way Romans do.
If you don’t understand it please use Google it might actually enlighten you.
boley to ekdum jhakkas, Yeloblu!!
Pushp do u have any answer to comments of Yeloblu????
Well done Yeloblu.............
what a tight slap... beat pushp read yellowblue
Well Said Yeloblu
Mindblowing Yeloblu.........
Keep it up..........