She is remembered as the fiery Queen of Jhansi, a warrior who carried the torch of nationalism, born into a conservative Maharashtrian family.
Today, the Maharashtrian legacy lives on in this close-knit Jhansi colony. And from the heart of Little Maharashtra, a question comes for Raj Thackeray, the man whose 'Me Mumbaikar' campaign has targeted North Indians.
''If the people of UP attack us, will Raj Thackeray save us? If our children are attacked abroad, who will save them?'' said Shivram Khanwalkar, Resident, Jhansi.
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Today, the Maharashtrian legacy lives on in this close-knit Jhansi colony. And from the heart of Little Maharashtra, a question comes for Raj Thackeray, the man whose 'Me Mumbaikar' campaign has targeted North Indians.
''If the people of UP attack us, will Raj Thackeray save us? If our children are attacked abroad, who will save them?'' said Shivram Khanwalkar, Resident, Jhansi.
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yesterday the MNS guy on NDTV said, "maharashtrians abroad know how to take care of themselves"
Problem solved!
noticed that. But mostly thats a communication issue. Media and MNS speak in styles which each dont understand. They take offence at each other easily. MNS comes across as nothing but goondas to a media guy due to his style, and MNS guy is automatically defensive when he speaks in English on english channel...
The real problem starts somewhere else. Any true metropolis has a culture which is different from its locality. London, NY etc have their own cultures. So, we should decide if we want a metropolis which has no cultural connection to Marathi culture.
If Mumbai is a metro, it will attract the good ones and the junk from everywhere.
I will say, if we seriously care about Marathi culture in Mumbai, we should decide to end this metro business once and for all.
I am OK with a cosmo Bombay, and Marathi Mumbai. But I am pissed off with this 50 % solutions.
Go like Chennai, have a Marathi Mumbai - but be clear and we should ask in once voice. Tell Bollywood that mostly it spreads Punjabi culture, and find another place. Tell IT companies that they should hire Marathi programmers, and no one else. Some of them may go and we may lose jobs, but if we care about culture, we should accept that.
It is impossible to expect metro and Marathi culture at the same time. Mumbai is a much bigger city, and more like an international metro. Either take it an enjoy the good and the bad, or end it and be a smaller city like other state capitals.
“If we seriously care about Marathi culture in Mumbai, we should decide to end this metro business once and for all.
If Mumbai is a metro, it will attract the good ones from other states and the "JUNK" from “UP and Bihar” this sounds better.
Man Ashti U r speaking like Rajat Sharma now :-D It was never and is not about Marathi and non marathi.
Mumbai kya abhi metro hua hai kya itne salose thana. Why they never had attacked South Indian, Gujaratis, Nepalis, Punjabis,Assames, Catholic etc. They have also come from other states right for same reason bread and butter. Why only North Indians? Why from last few years only? Rest all people have stayed here calmly and for many years they never faced problems. Why don’t u guys understand this is media who is making it Marathi and Non marathi , presenting that bloody Amar Singh as God and victim and Raj as Goonda or for that sake Marathis as Goonda.
Media said Big B bunglow was attacked .Police Commissioner said it’s a rumor. It was never attacked they just found bottles does that mean it was attack? Now u guys will not believe this right ye bat to Media ne nahi batayi na.
Did not first Sp leader spoke about “Latthi batenge and all” Media mein to chappa bhi nahi .Ye goonda gardi wali language nahi hai. Khali “Talwar sunayi di” media ko.
Why chat pooja in Mumbai? Gujaratis also conduct Navratri festival in Mumbai on large scale but its never politically influenced u understand this. Yaha Gujjus manate hai Gujarat day ya southIndians manate hai Kerala day , ya Tamil nadu day Ye Uttar Pradesh din kaha se yaha and why their political leaders are coming here to celebrate ? UP day UP mein mana ne ka.
All other states are developed or at least their local leaders are taking pain in seeing to that their states are not dependent on others. Why Mumbai should be pressurized due to “Nikamagiri” of Nitesh kumar, laloo, mayavati and that Amar singh for whom his state is “Bachan Pariwar”.
Sp wants to pour more and more bhaiyaas here to create vote bank. No political party in Maharastra wants SP here Neither Raj or Deshmukh.
So UP, Bihar ke Goonde Maharastra ko lootne se acha hai Local hi Loote samjhe :-D Apna hi ghar hai samjhke thoda kam lootenge :-D.
Hey funaholic good one!!
But I have a few questions??
What do you mean by JUNK from UP and BIHAR?? Are you trying to say that people from Maharashtra are good enough? I think your just being impulsive. Do not forget that they belong to the same country as you do!!
Marathi and Non-Marathi maybe used by the media but the segregation has been created by Shiv Sena themselves. We can get listen to lot of those words in all of the speeches given by the Thackeray family. Today, the Sena is not pointing fingers at the non-North Indian public. I am a non-Maharashtrian and have spent almost all my life here and I know that no one can touch me in this city ..... but somewhere deep under there is a feeling that all this may also happen to people from my community/ state/ region too.
If you think that the leaders from SP are at fault then y not beat up the leaders instead of the common man???
Funholic's reply and Raj thackrey's speech has one thing in common and that is no control over emotion and thats why you will hear words like JUNK and Sabu azmi and all that stuff.
abu asim azmi is SHIT!! he is one freakin ch#$%#$%. he is Dawood's right hand and is involved in terrorist activities!!
Irony is that ...... one of the most prominent disco's in Mumbai is run by the Thackrey's. What happened to the big westernization issue then?
"We havent decided. Thats the problem."
That is the secondary problem. The primary problem seems to be -
Exactly "Who" qualifies as "We" and therefore gets the right to "decide"
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Absolutely!! You are correct!! Thats the problem. The problem today is power!! Who has the power!! Who has the right to decide!!
But you know my friend, thats where you are trying to seperate people!! Thats where you are trying to tell people who have been staying in Mumbai all their life that Mumbai does not belong to them. Thank you very much.
Perfect lostwonderer, :) .. your point is really pointy.
Majority of mumbaikar's are not even page 3 readers, so it really sucks when they see when civic bodies or political parties getting influence by this page 3 loggy.
Aleque padamsy is a very respected advertising person but at the same time we don't WANT to buy his opinion on Raj Tahckrey's speech, because he will always try to make sense and in the process loose the essence.
Main trigger as lostwonderer says is the class difference today. If raj thackrey would have done some trick to create angers between classes he would have had bigger votebank .. i may be completely wrong.
manishbhau, thats exactly what I mean by miscommunication. What you see as assertive is aggressive by other standards. And Vice Versa with NDTV guy also. Srnivasan Jain comes across as snooty and superior to MNS and Sena guys. This is standard when people who have different cultural background try to deal with each other.
I agree regarding your views about Bollywood/Film industry. It's not that I dont't like bollywood, but what attracts first thing for these Biharis in Mumbai?? Bollywood/Films & Mr.Big B and the problem starts here, these people take there dreams & land up in Mumbai and when there dreams get shattered most of them start doing odd jobs or get into crime.
I do not think that bollywood as such is doing any wrong to the Marathi theatre/film industry (I may be wrong). Bollywood could probably help if the Marathi theatre/film industry becomes more serious about making Marathi movies/plays and if there are more people who watch them. Unfortunately the masses(marathi or non-marathi) want to watch more of Aishwarya Rai than Smita Patil.
Why not switch not only Bollywood, shift the entire north indian owned industries, companies and factories to north India somewhere!
exactly. even i am for a purely culturally peaceful mumbai.
let mumbai be a place where there is a linguistic majority, more cultural events, focus on marathi etc...
my feeling is, the average maharashtrian does not want mumbai to be this fundu cosmo metro city.
i have been telling people for a long time that mumbai right now is not like the rest of maharashtra at all. And its making eveyone uneasy.
The moment maharashtrians make it very clear that they want mumbai to be a maharahtrian city, the politicians have no choice other than to discourage industries and jobs that will bring in outsiders, and encourage only those industries that focus on locals.
so far even a raj doesnt have the guts to stand up and be clear like limin and satvya. Say it out loud, and it will happen.
i agree with vikas. You are mistaking me when u think I am a north indian :D I am just trying to get our own thoughts very clear on this.
I am saying, if we want mumbai to be culturally maharashtrian, we should insist on it like kannadigas do, like mallus do, like bengalis do.
instead, we often keep talking metro culture on one hand and marathi culture on another. You cannot have both together. I am happy with whatever the choice is. Right now, in Mumbai, it is difficult to even see Marathi culture - and I will be happy to see it come alive!
Asthipanjar;
As a non-Maharashtrian, what would you know about the sentiments of the Marathi speaking people? That too as a North India, you probably can't speak any Marathi, still less read/write it. If you cannot speak and understand a language-how do you understand the sentiments of those people? If you don't know Marathi, you can't understand the sentiments of the Maharashtrians. Period. You can't understand our society, our culture and our emotions. Plus as a North Indian, you might be having the smugness that North Indians, that contempt for cultures other than their own. Please stop this contempt.
As a North Indian, you probably have contempt for Marathi, as a bais language. This is common with most North Indians. Have you ever even tried to learn our language? If you can't speak Marathi, how can you be so contemptous? You may not be but I get that feeling. Those who don't know Marathi cannot comment on Maharashtrians.
Asthipanjar, NIndians are flooding in becuase of poverty. Not because they have got jobs here and are coming here to take up these jobs. This is not Dubai/UAE. They are coming because of the sheer backwardness of those places. This is the real issue-they are not coming here to take up jobs or work here. Once they arrive, they throw themselves into any kind of work they can get. Naturally, they are willing to work for 50 % less-70 % less. Hence, as long as UP/Bihar remain backward, this problem will continue. This has nothing to do with industry at all, so removing industry is meaningless. People are not coming here because of any industry.
haha vikas, you are too insecure. where did u see any contempt? If anything, I am more contemptous about north indian culture.
all i am saying is, once we are clear on what we want, we will get it.
industry in mumbai, and poverty in UP/ Bihar are bringing north indians (and everyone else) to mumbai. You think they are here to see the beaches?
Industry leads to direct jobs and indirect jobs. Street vendors, taxis, grocery shops, and small jobs associates with them.
I agree with a lot of things that you said Vikas. But not all of it.
I know of a lot of people who are non-marathi but can speak marathi better than most maharashtrian people can. So just by speaking marathi one cannot understand the sentiments of maharashtrians.
I agree that a non-Maharashtrians cannot understand the sentiments of Maharashtrians. Because it is not just about the language, its about the culture and the tradition. I also acknowledge the fact that the culture and tradition in Maharashtra is dieing. But my dear friend who is responsible for keeping up the culture? isn't it the people who belong to that community. How can people who are not from your community steal your culture or be responsible for its killing?? Why should people from other communities be responsible for keeping your culture and tradition alive???
If you are proud about Marathi, then why do you not speak it all the time? Why do you speak to people in hindi or english? Some people may riducule you but then even you would do it when you hear 2 "Bhayyas" speaking in Bhojpuri. In that case, whats the difference between u and them?
Today the Marathi cinema/theatre is in distress because even the Marathi people probably do not want to watch it?? If you yourself are not able to accept your culture, tradition and language, why should anybody else do it my friend?
I am a non-Maharashtrian but I am proud to say that I can read, write and speak Marathi. Just as I am proud of knowing my mother toungue and the National language Hindi.
Tell me this my dear friend, you and also I do not like when someone calls a Maharashtrian a "Ghati" but I am sure that you will be amused and will find great pride while calling a north Indian a "Bhayya"
Today, companies in Bangalore are having a tough time recruiting people. That is because there are hardly any local people and the outsiders are reluctant to come to B'lore. Which means, companies may move out of B'lore??
My brother, Mumbai was not built in a day ...... it has taken years to make Mumbai what it is.
Kiranjee Hum dono Mein Ek Aur Baat Common hai Jo bolte hai uske peeche ek motive hota hai :-D and its not bcoz we cannot control our emotions. Raj is not an Idiot to make statement like this and get a bad publicity especially at this stage when he is trying to build a party. I m sure there is sm motive. He is been in this game for long time now.
2)Guys If u have read my comments on other post posted by vikas or even in that New year molestation case I had said that if marathis are failing in giving best from their side they will suffer and they shld not blame non-marathis.
3)Then why I called northies JUNK today well from past 2-3 days due to few Raj Mns members attacked few NorthIndians Suddenly for everybody Marathis from Mumbai have become Goonda ,Suddenly, Haven't you been staying with these same people for so many years now? we all know na that its pure political rada. We common people, press everybody knows this .They why marathi and non marathi culuture ? Thats what I m unhappy abt.
Asthi “If we seriously care about Marathi culture in Mumbai, we should decide to end this metro business once and for all.”
What do u mean by this "marathi culuture" wants to end Mumbai's mix culuture. The way you are summarising "marathi culuture" for wht happened in past few days. Now that hurts.What’s wrong in me summarizing entire Bhaiya culuture as "JUNK". Your comments are due 2 insecurity aur mera impulsive attitude. what u think abt this kiranjee.
lostwanderer "But somewhere deep under there is a feeling that all this may also happen to people from my community/ state/ region too." Right Being a marathi I m equally insecure lostwanderer. bcoz in this country even if I m marathi, tamil, Punjabi, catholic, hindu, muslim ,bhaiya ,etc. I M INSECURE why bcoz I M A COMMON MAN. That’s the only religion guys that we all belong to.
U knw guys we should be insecure but not bcoz we are marathis and non-marathis but as "mumbaikars". Bcoz mumbai is housefull now boss. I feel u will agree here as mumbaikar. Her capacity of welcoming Immigrations is over. This city and state already has its own prob.
I m bored shit itna kabhi mein exam mein bhi nahi likha yaar :) We all luv Mumbai forget abt politicians atleast lets keep faith in Each other as Mumbaikars what say.
Speaking about insecurity .... I want to tell you about a small incidence. I was speaking to this Maharashtrian friend of mine. Not a very intellectual person and may not represent the whole of the marathi community but can be considered as a layman. I asked him about the situation and what he thought about what was happening. He was very unhappy about the voilence and he said that it was not correct to beat up a common man. But he strongly believed in Raj and his ideology. I was not sure about his belief so I questioned him further. Finally he made a statement, he said "I like the Sena but I know that the Sena's way is not correct. But I still support the Sena because if I do not, one day the outsiders will throw us Maharashtrians out of Mumbai." Although he did not have any reasons as to how that would be possible!! This my friend is the insecurity!! which the Sena has put into the minds of a common Maharashtrian down the years!! Which according to me is IMPOSSIBLE!!
funaholic, i wasnt talking about marathi culture that way - I meant real marathi culture (not the beatings etc).
Rest, i agree. Mumbai is houseful.
Thats why I am saying, if Mumbai keeps developing, more people will come and strain the infrastructure even more. So stop that. Mumbai has to stop its growth till it fixes the infrastructure, thats the only real solution. Or, we can keep asking for things like identity cards which will not happen.